To think 10 pounds per hour is very little to receive for cleaning?

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This seems to be the standard payment as far as I am aware. The work is often physically demanding, especially if someone is cleaning two or three places every day. Let's say someone cleans two places for 30 pounds each Monday to Friday, they earn around 1200 / month (pre tax). This may have been fine in the time when women had a cleaning job to supplement their husband's salary, but now when many women are single or divorced and supporting themselves, it seems like a very small amount to survive on.

Most cleaners I know are on meagre benefits so it's extra, untaxed cash.

*Here’s the thing. For a tenner/hour I can afford to pay someone to clean my house. If I had to pay maybe £15 then I’d probably start cleaning myself.

Unfortunately, that’s how it works. If the average person feels they can’t afford a cleaner anymore, then cleaners will find themselves out of a job unless they drop their fee.*

This.

It's a job most people who are physically able can just do for themselves.
If they can afford to outsource it then they do, as it literally buys them more time for other things.
If you can't afford it then you do it yourself but may be bits of it every day or a huge blitz one day/wk.

There are many people earning less and paying tax, NI etc from it, so not bad for unskilled work.

Cleaners also pay tax and NI.

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Newly qualified nurses, midwives and social workers may earn £12 per hour but within a couple of years, they will be sought after for agencies and can earn double that. Also, people are being really silly but comparing a self employed cleaner to an employed individual. Public sector workers may be under immense stress but we also have okish pensions, paid sick leave, maternity leave and annual leave etc. I am entitled to 4 months off sick on full pay, followed by 4 months on half pay followed by 4 months on a quarter pay. That is invaluable.

We should pay care workers, nursery nurses and HCPs etc much more but it’s not a race to the bottom. Self employed cleaners should be able to charge a decent sum to cover costs and we should pay health and social care workers more.

I hate the snobbery around cleaners. I am not one and nor do I have one, so I have no skin in the game.

Can people stop comparing cleaners to midwives and teachers? Cleaners are mostly self employed. Their holiday, pension contribution, sick leave etc has to be built into their hourly rate. The hourly rate of a midwife who has all of the above paid for us not comparable! Plumbers, gas engineers etc are a closer comparison. Try getting one of them for £10 per hour!

I think it's really interesting that according to this thread, midwives, nurses, social carers, teachers and childcare workers all get below or around the same hourly rate as a cleaner.
It shouldn't be a race to the bottom in terms of pay but all these jobs and professions are predominantly occupied by women... and it seems to me to be akin to fighting over the leftover scraps.
Why are female-dominated professions, which often require qualifictions and university degrees so badly renumerated?

your talking verbal diarrhoea my dear! Take your snobby pathetic post and take a hike.

My cleaners have always used my cleaning products.

Why the huge assumption that paying cash in hand means that people don’t declare it? I’ve run a side business that pays me cash in hand for many years and always fill in my self assessment - just like a any other small business. It means I charge more - to cover the tax.

£10 an hour isn’t great money. But there was a thread a few weeks ago where the OP was asking why cleaners start off doing a reasonable job and then gradually get sloppier and make less effort until they’re hardly bothering at all. And the overwhelming response, from posters who said they are or have been cleaners, was that it’s a shit job and you can’t expect people to care about it. Well I’m afraid you can’t have it both ways- if those are £10/hr standards, you’ll get £10/hr. if you want more, you’ve got to deliver more.
Unless you’re my cleaner, in which case you get away with charging nearly double that, call yourself a CEO, refuse to put the bins out and fail to clean behind the bathroom basin, ever.

My partner hires and fires people and doesn't make that much.

That was for boggle goggles or whatever your called

Nurses are on 11 pound odd. A tenner doesn't sound bad to me.

Sorry that should say some nurses

Mine used to charge £10 per hour and recently she increased to £12. I can’t really complain, she cleans my toilets which I’m not prepared to do myself. So no, I don’t think £10 per hour is a lot. I do think public servants should be paid more but don’t really see the correlation. It’s supply and demand.

Do those nurses commute into work for a one or two hour shift Prequelle?

What's that got to do with the price of fish? Cleaners can do as many jobs per day as they wish to take on. Mine is booked up all day, 'commuting' between jobs just like a district nurse would travel between visits.

And do they get 5 weeks paid holiday @Prequelle? Pension contributions? Sick pay scheme? Subsidised childcare options?

Because cleaners don't! And that's why the hourly rate is not comparable (can't believe I have to spell this out)

My rate (£13) covers everything. I bring all my own products, My own cloths, my own mop and bucket, my own hoover. I use my own electric and washing powder in my own house to wash the cloths and mop head after every single use and I use my own electric in my own house to charge both the batteries for my cordless vacuum every day. I pay for petrol, business insurance on my car, wear and tear on my car. I also have to cover my time travelling to and from jobs. I pay NI and when I earn enough I pay tax on my earnings. I pay for my PL insurance, I cover my own holiday/sickness absences when i don’t/can’t earn. I pay for advertising and my “uniform”. I charge £13/hour but I certainly don’t take home £13/hour.

I've always thought for an hour's hard physical work, anywhere around minimum wage is a joke. Think what you can get for that these days. Wages really have stagnated compared with cost of living

No, instead they get the flexibility they surely wish to have from being self employed.

I don't know why you're replying to me anyway. I don't begrudge paying it. All I said was that no it isn't very little when it's unskilled work and compared to a nurses hourly pay rate it's fine for what they actually do.

Oh for heavens sake prequelle. District nurses are paid for travelling time. And they get a mileage allowance. Huge difference.

I think £13-£15 is probably about right. I get paid just above NMW for being a teaching assistant, but get holidays, pension, national insurance etc.