Why anti Semitic?

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I don’t get the under currents of this anti semitism stuff.

Can someone please explain?

It's the left that are anti-semitic, not the right, and historically it's the Muslims who have a problem with Jews.

Jewish people characteristically vote Conservative

Try reading 'the Devil that never dies' by Daniel Goldhagen it's an interesting book on anti Semitism.

historically it's the Muslims who have a problem with Jews.

The Nazis weren’t Muslim

It is possible to be anti-Zionist without being anti-Semitic, but generally, very few people manage it. It's only those who deny legitimacy to all nation states that have a logical argument in general - supporting a Palestinian state but denying Jews the right to self-determination is anti-Semitic.

And the poster who made the comment about Arabs being Semitic people? True, but disingenuous: anti-Semitism was coined as a word to refer to Jew-hatred and Jew-hatred alone. The argument that the PP was hinting at is a well-known attempt to minimise the extent of anti-Semitism, though I appreciate that this poster may not have been aware of this.

Double standards, where you hold Israel to a higher standard than other nations is also Anti-Semitism, as the implication is that this is because of the Jewish nature of the state.

Left - wing anti-Semitism has been a huge issue for decades (since the late 60s); right wing anti-Semitism has been in decline, apart from the skinhead right, for roughly the same period. It's partly to do with the anti-capitalism movement and partly to do with the rise of Israel, and somewhat associated with the entry of the right into mainstream Israeli politics from 1977.

Corbyn probably isn't anti-Semitic himself, but he is a Useful Idiot, and if you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

No, the Nazis weren't Muslim, but they had close associations with some Muslim leaders from the 30s onwards, and there is one school of thought that says it was Hajj Amin Al Husseini who was the original architect of the Final Solution, at a meeting in Egypt before the war.

If you try to link Muslims with every act of anti-Semitism since ancient times, you're going to run into problems rather quickly. It has existed without Muslims being involved, in almost every country the Jewish diaspora moved to.

I rather liked her at first @Moralitym1n1 with the phd and the successful actress without being conventionally attractive (I think she's beautiful, just not your hollywood standard). But then she ruined it with anti-vax nonsense and a whole trolley load of really ugh opinions.

supporting a Palestinian state but denying Jews the right to self-determination is anti-Semitic. Are you high?

But then she ruined it with anti-vax nonsense and a whole trolley load of really ugh opinions.

Didn't realise she's an antivax er

@noblegiraffe Yes, you're entirely right of course that a lot of that comes from the usual place of anti-semitic tropes about 'jewish interference' and its these people actually causing problems, because it makes it harder for us to point out when Israel is actually interfering unacceptably in foreign politics. A lot of real anti-semites who have used supposed criticism of Israel as a shield for years have jumped on the Corbyn bandwagon also(Nick Griffin, David Icke) further muddying the waters. Corbyn's uselessness at dealing with these people has been the main problem.

Before this it was show levels of antisemitism in the labour party were much lower than the general population, and far far lower than in the torys/UKIP.

@Ivegotthree thats complete crap. Care to try explain the right wing antisemitism of the Nazis. Ustasha, Arrow Cross, Franco, Mussolini, Tsarist pogroms, blackshirts, National Front, BNP etc. away? some of these right wing groups are directly responsible for murdering millions of jews.

Actualy the labour party is traditionally talked of as the hme of british jews, and you seem to have mo clue of the tradition of jewish socialism/bundism/marxism

www.newstatesman.com/culture/observations/2017/01/anti-semitism-right-wing-problem

I honestly think part of this exercise of the last few years by some cynical types has been to try and muddy the waters of the Rights very clear nasty history of antisemitism.

Jewish people characteristically vote Conservative

Actually they’ve traditionally been huge labour voters. Not any more, many of us are politically homeless.

To understand the current support of Jewish people for Israel and a desire to often defend actions at all costs is an overriding fear of anti semitism, protection of somewhere to call a home where Jewish people feel safe and where nobody can displace them again. The first settlers were ideologists. After the Holocaust Jews needed a home. Not only were they not welcome in many countries, England and America weren’t very welcoming but they didn’t want to go home to where they had been. Why would they? They needed a new start.

From 1948 - 1976 850,000 Jews who lived in Arabs countries, Egypt, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Algeria and others were forced out of their homes and fled to Israel.

Where should they have gone. Israel is a haven for a people who have nowhere else to go.

Now, none of this excuses subsequent actions of Israel gvt or policy. But to me, anti-Zionism, not anti Israel government is the same as anti semitism because it highlights a fundamental lack of understanding of why the existence of the state of Israel and the Jewish right to self determination, with equal rights for all citizens is so essential.