To think porn should not be easily accessible to children?

[Iggypoppie]

Apologies if there is already a thread? But I'm so pleased that a check and balance is being proposed re making porn only accessible to over 18s.
Bizarrely, On politics live today a young woman was laughing about how absurd the idea was, while an older conservative dude was for it. Strange times we live in.

www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/porn-websites-to-check-uk-users-ages-as-law-passes-11604331

Or Maybe parents should take responsibility for what their children are watching/accessing.

Obviously it shouldn't be available to children.

But, the checks and balances that have been put in place are laughably poor, and won't achieve anything.

The idea is absurd.

Whether or not porn is easily accessible to children is on the people who supervise them.

The idea is flawed because online porn isn't necessarily labelled as porn, nor found only on porn sites. Nor is porn the only content which DC should not be seeing.

Parents need to supervise.

It's your job to make porn inaccessible to your kids. The government does not have to parent for you.

Iggy I saw that!

They always manage to find a woman to say porn should be freely available to all.

FWIW I had a barney with internet provider as the screen said content controls on (blocking the usual stuff). But. It had been swithced off in the background.

I only found out because of something on DC phone then googled porn site and bosh all freely available 1 click.

I didn't realise that these sites now had video clips on home screens playing its even more grim than it used to be.

I find it hard to understand why people have issues with making adult content a little trickier to find /get at.

And also the callousness of 'oh the parents have to do it it's 100%on them'. When everyone knows that lots of parents are naive /technologically inept/ can't be bothered etc

This thing of its all about individuals and society isn't a thing, even when it comes to child protection (which this is about) is baffling to me.

Q. What about kids whose parents don't do this / or have friends who show them?
A. So what. Fuck em

If a child is being abused, the answer is, don't do anything, as its up to their parents to protect them.

Yes good.

Young children viewing this content is really not good.

Unless your aim is to terrify girls and teach them their place, and for boys inculcate them with a massive sense of sexual entitlement.

Of course this is something a lot of people want.
Abusers use porn to groom kids. If they watch it as shown by a friend or a search, does this negate it.
Lots of kids will google sex when quite young.

I googled something innocuous on my phone the other day and got loads of porn. Net is flooded with it.

Whole thing makes me v unhappy tbh

Like you get, watching it in cafes, on trains etc with all other people around.

I think it's become way too normalised.

Porn should not be available to children, no.

The approach being taken to achieve this with government mandated online restrictions seems inane, heavyhanded, and likely totally ineffectual.

Normal software can not 100% stop porn. It can stop a lot of it but the only way to stop it is if you made a list of websites that your kids are allowed to visit and blocked the rest of the Internet.

There is the added problem that any home software wouldn't affect a device using a mobile connection. So you could ban pornhub on Wifi but on 3G it would be fine.

It shouldn't be easy to access porn. While it's obviously up to adults what they view, online porn has ruined sex for many people including children who won't be having sex for years.

I suppose I just think that taking an approach where you know that children will be exposed and just throw your hands up and blame the parents and say no point in doing anything to try to stop children being exposed is a really weak approach.

Like, bad stuff happens to kids, no let's not bother with prevention, let's just blame the parents after the event and know it will go on happening to other children.

I suppose I find it a v selfish approach

But the ban isn't going to work. it's ludicrous to suggest it will.

It doesn't even cover sites not working on a commercial basis.

I think it's utterly ridiculous to suggest that people pointing out how absurd it is are somehow selfish and against child protection.

The approach that the government is using is very unlikely to work. Teens will know how to use vpns and as Chouetted said it won't stop all sites anyway.

I've just read the linked article.

The words 'chocolate' and 'fireguard' sprang to mind

Patents should be aware what children are accessing it's not the government's job, I think the idea is laughable and will never work

There is loads of porn on social media platforms like twitter and you don’t have to be over 18 to see that. And you won’t need to age Verify to get on Twitter
Kids will just get a VPN and access it that way So will anyone else who won’t feel like giving their personal details to a random company
Like having to prove your over 18 is going to stop anyone 😜

I remember having to prove I was 18 or over to start selling on eBay, back in the early 2000s.

It wasn't hard to get around.

I think that this sort of approach makes it riskier for DC. Because, make no mistake, asking for age verification (for which there is currently no mechanism) for sites which are over 1/3 porn is simply not going to be an effective safeguard.

But if any parents think it is, and reduce their supervision because they think - totally wrongly - that the govt has done something effective, then those DC are at greater risk

The buck stop with the parents. That some parents are more diligent than others has an impact on many aspects of DC's upbringing. Not just unsuitable online content.

Perhaps if you needed a credit card to access porn sites it would help, you wouldn't necessarily have to pay, just put your details in.

Maybe parents should take more steps, it's not unknown.
Until mine were 16 they used the family computer, no internet access on phones allowed, and a unique concept but as parents we gave a shit what our kids were doing.
No feral left for hours in their bedrooms, no tv's upstairs, no gadgets, just stuff to help them learn.
I'm not well educated and it isn't rocket science, just parenting.
If they do have internet access then you teach them, explain, and if they are mature enough to be allowed int access, then they're mature enough to make the correct choices.

Patents should be aware what children are accessing it's not the government's job,

How does that work in reality though, how do you supervise your children 24/7.. what about when they are at school? Walking home from school. You have no control over what other children show them.

It’s high time the government stepped in and tackled the inappropriate websites that children are being encouraged to see. Some of the contents is truly shocking, and that’s before we even start discussing the morals of porn and the misogynistic abuse that’s so easily available to view.

Cranky

You don't give them unsupervised access, that's how you supervise 24/7
ito what other children show them, well you educate them, then they'll make good decisions, you know the job you have.

Anyone who thinks porn is only available on porn sites is woefully underinformed.

Ditto anyone who thinks that that government regulation is anything other than wishing for a unicorn (where's empusa when we need her - that's brilliant 'unicorn' post should be compulsory reading for anyone who thinks tech/govt solutions are any good at all - unless you want North Korea levels of control)

*RomanyQueen1

Cranky

You don't give them unsupervised access, that's how you supervise 24/7
ito what other children show them, well you educate them, then they'll make good decisions, you know the job you have.*

I think that’s woefully naive, it’s impossible to be with your children 24/7. Not all parents have the same standard of supervision and you are not with them at school.
Do your children never go to their friends houses, on the bus? People access this stuff while commuting.

ISWYM cranky17 but tech solutions definitely don't work when DC are out and about.

Because those friends may have unfiltered devices, use parents or elder siblings' logins, or know sites which do not fit the (pretty narrow and probably unworkable anyhow) definition of this measure.

If you start with the basis of close supervision, instil family standards, and educate your DC on why some content shouldn't be accessed (and should be closed immediately and tell an adult if found by mistake), you maximise the chances of minimum exposure.

Cranky

As I said, you do your job and don't give them internet access, it doesn't matter what they do on the bus then. If you educate them about the horrors and that friends will want to show them porn, there is less chance of them wanting to look.
You can't be with them 24/7 but you can stop internet access 24/7 if you so wish.
Asking my ds's when they first saw it and they were 16 and the other one never as not interested.
My dd is 15 and hasn't been shown any and says it's disgusting.
You do find a time you have to trust them though. I have no idea what my dd accesses because she boards, I do trust that I did all I can to educate her the same as her siblings.