to think it is dangerous & wrong to teach children to think they can be "born into the wrong body" instead of teaching resilience?

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Stereotypes, lies and thought crime are in and logic is out.

CAMHS is completely overrun and we are in the midst of a mental health epidemic.

We keep pouring money into ideologies with NO scientific basis whatsoever cooked up by people with no child behaviour expertise or qualifications. We are paying these people to undermine children's natural confidence and dismantle safeguarding and sex based rights. We are paying these people to lie to children and it is doing serious damage, targeting vulnerable groups such as those who have suffered abuse or will likely be homosexual adults and those who are on the autistic spectrum.

AIBU to think this is utterly batshit and the money would be better spent teaching children resilience and funding the mental health services we need instead?

Why are we campaigning to help children with eating disorders overcome their difficulties whilst simultaneously forcing healthy children to deny themselves completely if they do not crush themselves into a stereotypical box?

those who are abusing OP come back when you have some real experience of supporting a child with a real challenge

That is a hateful comment. I hope you're just ignorant and not actually as spiteful as you sound. Someone suffering from gender dysphoria does have a real challenge. More than half have attempted suicide. This is a real problem.

More than half have attempted suicide

This is not true. It’s dangerous, irresponsible scare mongering.

@RockyFlintsone I don’t know, because I’ve never had experience of dealing with this issue.

Oh sorry, from your first post on this thread I imagined you had some peer reviewed evidence to show that people are actually 'born in the wrong body' to show us all how wrong we are.

By the way, believing you have been born in the wrong body and actually being born in the wrong body are two very different things.

The Tavistock Clinic is full of professional people.

That is a hateful comment. I hope you're just ignorant and not actually as spiteful as you sound. Someone suffering from gender dysphoria does have a real challenge. More than half have attempted suicide. This is a real problem.

1. no they haven't, that statistic is rolled out a lot and has been debunked.

2. it's really irresponsible to keep linking being trans to suicide as it creates a culture that being trans must equal being suicidal, especially amongst young impressionable people.

3. if gender dysphoria is a mental illness then why has a mental illness been tacked onto the end of LGB and is being lauded as something to be celebrated?

The fact that the trans issue has been picked up, aggressively politicised, then aggressively pushed by the state should give anybody pause for thought. I wholeheartedly agree with you OP.

These people are at massive risk of suicide, dropping out of school and serious mental health disorders. There is no basis for just telling them to suck it up

Can you link to any reliable sources?

The problem with people like the OP is that they are narrow minded and ideologically driven

a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy

It’s not a belief it’s a FACT that you can’t change sex. Every cell in your body confirms what sex you are.

The ideology is that you can change it. You simply can’t.

It’s a mental health issue 100% so we should allow major catastrophic surgeries and chemical castrations to try and solve it. Mental health doesn’t go away like that

@SmileEachDay you’re right, on a thread discussing the rights and wrongs of hugs being allowed between schoolchildren I asked your opinion on how this related to the #metoo movement. You never answered. But that’s a TAAT so whatever. Sorry for tagging you in this thread

OP I agree with you, would add in children need to be taught critical thinking too.
Full of jellybeans - step away from them, the sugar rush is making you spout nonsense.

I fully agree, more and more family's are buying into it.
There is 4 FTM in my teenage niece year at school.

You never answered

Yes, I did. So you don’t have to search, I said “WTF”.

Sorry for diversion OP.

Well said OP. Couldn't agree more. If that makes me a bigot or a hater (it doesn't) then so be it.

If they are, they don't need teaching. They know. And they will need a hell of a lot more resilience with attitudes like yours.

Stereotypes, lies and thought crime are in and logic is out
Yes.

it's really irresponsible to keep linking being trans to suicide as it creates a culture that being trans must equal being suicidal, especially amongst young impressionable people.

That is such a sensible point I don't see how anyone could argue with it but I suspect some on here will find a way.

You're not wrong.

If they are, they don't need teaching
It is not possible to be born into the wrong body. It really makes no sense.

YANBU OP.

This idea of "you like this, you feel this means you are X, Y, Z" is dangerous.

Completely agree with you OP

"Being born into the wrong body" presumes some sort of personal essence beyond the body. It's not a coincidence that 'souls' is re-entering the political vocabulary at this time. I am disturbed by the sudden resurgence in religion and the way it is being used as an excuse to treat people badly again. I also don't think it's a coincidence that this is happening while the notion of 'public' space of all kinds has been under attack for so long now.

OP I think yanbu probably.

I do think though that a lot of this current situation we are in started from parents seeing their teens/children experiencing real distress about their identity and wanting to help.

I also think it has been taken over by a very dangerous unrepresentative militant minority of trans activitists.

Teach trans kids resilience, tell depressed kids to smile, tell anorexic teens that the opposite sex won't fancy them without some meat on their bones.

Is it hurting you if a child feels more comfortable using male pronouns and passing as a man? Maybe it's a phase, maybe it's not permanent but they should be allowed to explore their feelings without being told that what they think is wrong because some people don't agree with it.

Sort of reminds me of the camps for homosexual children because it's all in their mind too.

It will all stop very suddenly when the first child grows up and sues their parents, doctors, school and the NHS for allowing them to be surgically/chemically castrated or sterilised when as a result of their mental confusion they stated that they hated their body and gender.

This entire era will become a national scandal, become the subject of shocked documentaries and be taught in schools.

Is it hurting you if a child feels more comfortable using male pronouns and passing as a man?
It can be very upsetting for girls if a teenage male is insisting on using female pronouns and being allowed to change with them and stare at them as they undress, yes. That kind of behaviour is called sexual harassment. Why is that suddenly not considered as important as a male getting some kicks?

@ReapersHowler yes, this. Forget all the shit, let kids be the best they can be.