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Is this school newsletter too rude?

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RudeHead · 19/03/2019 17:19

NC as obviously outing to other parents. This week's primary school newsletter had the following from the head^^ about parents' evening...

Thank you for all the positive comments that teachers received yesterday. They all work so hard for each child in their class. Though I have noticed that there are too many parents not attending the parents meeting and making individual appointments with teachers before and after school This will not be allowed. We start at 1.30pm and finish at 7pm so whatever job you have, you can still make the consultation. I have to keep the workload down for our teachers. If there is a reason why you cannot meet on the designated parent consultation, which is dated in September, then please write to me.

AIBU that this is unacceptably rude? I feel like I should write in or something. I get her point but surely there's a better way to make it?

OP posts:
AlexaAmbidextra · 20/03/2019 00:10

I keep seeing Wackford Squeers. 😄

YellowFish123 · 20/03/2019 00:18

There isn't any need for unions at DH's school @ilovesooty. All staff are welcome to report any concerns to DH or another member of senior management and it will be dealt with.

Comefromaway · 20/03/2019 00:19

Big red flag that one is.

There is always a need for a union in teaching. If nothing else for the legal cover.

SleepingStandingUp · 20/03/2019 00:30

YellowFish123: If that means the best time for the parent to meet is 9pm or 7am- then that's when they meet. There is also Skype or telephone available
Im curious yo know what job you do, or did before kids Yellowand if you were available 24/7 on the whimof your customers.what if a parwnts works shifts so wants 2 am? As the client perhaps parwnts should be able to fire any member of staff they don't think meets their needs? Perhaps the teachers could visit all 30+ parents in their homes after school just to make life easier for the parent.

And they wonder why there's a staffing crisis...

YellowFish123 · 20/03/2019 00:34

@SleepingStandingUp

DH's teachers can do home visits for parents evenings if that is what's convenient for the client. I'm a director and senior manager of a large company, which does require flexibility. If a client wants to conclude a deal at 9pm, that's what happens. If I'm negotiating with a client in the Far East overnight, that's what happens. Teachers should be no different m.

ilovesooty · 20/03/2019 00:36

There's every need for union support wherever you are in teaching. Even more so if you work in an environment where there's obviously no recognition of duty of care to staff.

ilovesooty · 20/03/2019 00:39

And after all we know from your other contributions what your husband's attitude is to staff illness and absence.

As I said, I'd much sooner work for a head like the one in the OP than for a business man who thinks he understands teaching.

SleepingStandingUp · 20/03/2019 00:46

Teachers should be no different and what's your salary difference?
Now obviously your DH pays his staff for all the 12 am home visits Inc travel and ensures there's two of them for safety reasons because sending one would be irresponsible, or is he watching them remotely from your house? So maybe they are on a good rate. I assume he also covers the cost of OOO childcare for all these middle of the night meetings for your teachers kids? So maybe that means their salary is on a par with yours.

But I can guarantee my sons teachers aren't. Why on Earth would I expect a teacher to have to pay for a babysitter so she can come to my house to discuss something that can be reasonably done in extended school hours??

ilovesooty · 20/03/2019 00:49

Correction - your attitude to staff illness in your company.

Does your husband operate in the same way? If so his staff need unions.

YellowFish123 · 20/03/2019 00:51

@SleepingStandingUp

DH's school has an innovative performance-based pay system which rewards staff based on a range of factors, including exam results, learning walk evaluations and overall engagement with school life.

The starting salary(of £17,500) is the same for all teachers and is then increased with performance bonuses. Some standard teachers earn up to £50,000 and HoDs up to £70,000 at DH's school.

ilovesooty · 20/03/2019 00:53

And your husband thinks he's qualified to evaluate staff and their teaching performance?

That starting salary is insulting.

NewAccount270219 · 20/03/2019 00:55

Look, yellowfish's DH is dreadful, but he clearly has the redeeming feature of not being real

SleepingStandingUp · 20/03/2019 00:58

DH runs a very successful free school which puts the needs of pupils and parents first part ofy needs asa Mom is a teacher who managed at least hours break from school, who isn't paying out a fortune in childcare to run around doing home visits at 8 / 9 /10 o'clock only for the parents to be out, to then be expected to be in scho for 5.30 for a different parent meeting. I quite like my sons teachers feeling like respected human beings, not minions there to do as 30 seperate parwnts dictate whilst the head spies on them fr his comfy chair at home

SleepingStandingUp · 20/03/2019 01:01

The starting salary(of £17,500) is the same for all teachers so your DarlingDH expect 24/7 availability 365 days a year for 17.5 k? Like I said, I want DS's teachers to feel like respected human beings

SleepingStandingUp · 20/03/2019 01:03

You also haven't clarified that he's paying out of pocket expenses for travel and late night childcare, overtime Inc travel time plus providing a second member of staff to support home visits. Especially when he's paying staff 17.5 k?

SleepingStandingUp · 20/03/2019 01:03

Also what is a learning walk? I want it to be like forest school but with more walking....

ReSistersUnited · 20/03/2019 01:08

Yes it's rude. Small minded and rude.

YellowFish123 · 20/03/2019 01:09

@SleepingStandingUp

No overtime is payable as the staff contracts include these extra duties. The £17500 if therefore the basic teaching salary, which is then increased by performance related add ons at the discretion of DH and senior management.

A learning walk is when DH walks around classses at random to check the quality of teaching and output.

81Byerley · 20/03/2019 01:12

Can't see anything wrong with it, myself!

ilovesooty · 20/03/2019 01:12

schoolleaders.thekeysupport.com/staff/performance-management/lesson-observations/how-plan-learning-walk

He's not qualified to conduct learning walks with any credibility. He has no experience of teaching.

ilovesooty · 20/03/2019 01:14

Those staff are exploited. And you say they have no need of unions?

SleepingStandingUp · 20/03/2019 01:22

The £17500 if therefore the basic teaching salary, which is then increased by performance related add ons at the discretion of DH and senior management.

So they should work unlimited hours for 17. 5k and you think DH is a good employer???

ilovesooty · 20/03/2019 01:24

I reckon that is £8.43 ph for a 40 hour week.

SleepingStandingUp · 20/03/2019 01:29

Add in all the travelling to and from parwnts houses, waiting around schoolfpr parents and it's prpbay not minimum wage. But it's. OK, if the kids do well in their exams the teacher gets a bonus so she can take all her stress out on pushing the kids through exams so she gets a bonus to cover the travel and chidlcare she's paying for...

LucyBabs · 20/03/2019 02:15

I'm so very sorry I haven't read the effn thread but are we taking about secondary or primary school?
Surely if you are given 6 months notice am I right? About a parents evening, at least one parent can go or a lone parent can arrange child care?

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