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To be really annoyed about this

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ChloePD · 19/03/2019 14:58

Bit of background:

I'm 22, partner is 24. We just bought our first house about 8 months ago. Have been living there since. We are in a semi detached house. Our neighbours purchased their house about 3 months ago and have only started living there about 3 weeks ago, they had builders getting the house ready for them I suppose- it's a new build.

Anyway, we only met them for the first time on Tuesday last week. We pulled up in our car, got out and they were outside doing their garden. We stopped to introduce ourselves and had a chat. The neighbours are in their mid/late 40's if I were to guess. The guy did most of the talking, telling us how he had Crohns Disease, and how terrible it was. Also mentioned the fact that there were weeds growing in-between the bricks on the parking. He mentioned that one day it would be nice for us to all chip in and get this cleaned. We agreed happily, bearing in mind we have never noticed the weeds and upon closer inspection, it seems to be small amounts of moss, but really nothing noticeable.

Anyway, we went inside, I told my partner I thought he was a bit weird, and we moved on. Then on Friday, I was off uni and home alone, and heard him screaming (semi-detached house) and lots of banging. I ignored this and carried on my day. Heard nothing again since and hadn't seen him again.

On Sunday night, my older brother came to stay the night. He parked his car in the neighbours spot (we have two spaces each) which I hadn't realised, and my brother was not aware that the house had been purchased, as it was empty last time, so he didn't do it to be horrible. Anyway, I wasn't aware that he had parked there.

An hour after he had arrived, there was knocking on the door. I ran downstairs and opened the door, saw it was him and smiled. As I opened, I noticed my brothers car so I clocked why he was there, and before he said anything I said "oh sorry, I'll move the car for you quickly" (I assumed that's what he was there for). He then looked at me and very aggressively said "oh so you've done it on purpose"
Me: "No, I'm sorry I hadn't realised, my brother has parked there but I've got the keys I'll move it quickly"
Him: "listen to me, I can tell when people are being genuine with me and when people are trying to make me look stupid, and you are purposely trying to make me look stupid"
Me: I'm sorry, I'll move the car.

I shut the door, and my boyfriend came running down shouting "what was that" and tried to get out, I begged him to leave it as I hate confrontation. My brother at this point was having a shower and was completely unaware of the situation. I grabbed his keys, shaking, and asked my boyfriend to stand at the door as I moved the car.

I went outside and he started having a go at me again. He then told my boyfriend that what we were doing was illegal as we are aware that he is ill, and we are causing him stress. He also told him that were we leave our bins was illegal, and we were to move them. My boyfriend said no calmly, they are on the side of our house on a piece of land that belongs to us, not in anyone's way. He then asked my boyfriend if he wanted to have a boxing match, to which he replied no. I was moving the car at this point but could hear it all. He then asked if we wanted to throw all our weeds at him?? I got out the car and they were talking to each other (neighbour screaming at boyfriend, boyfriend talking). I begged him to go inside and leave him alone, went in and locked the door and broke down in tears.

I know it was nothing serious, however I as a person am very sensitive and hate conflict, I really do. I spent the next 15 minutes sobbing and shaking, I was completely shaken by what had just happened. On top of this, my little brother (9) was there too, we were having a little sleepover.

10pm, someone knocks at the door, it's his wife. She says she's come to clear the air, not apologise but clear the air. I looked at her and said "are you admitting he's in the wrong if you've come over to clear the air?"
Her: "No, you've both put him under tremendous amounts of stress recently, you don't pull out your weeds and there's constantly leaves blowing from your garden to ours (we don't even have any trees in our garden, definitely haven't got ANY leaves??!). So tonight was just the final straw. We've paid a lot of money for this house. We want it to look nice.
Me: could he not have come over and explained what we were doing wrong so we can try and fix it? We will always help if we're doing something wrong
Her: He didn't do anything wrong to you
Me: He did, and I have the whole thing recorded on my cars dashcam (I do but unfortunately you can't hear anything, you can just see it happening).
Her: well ive just come over as I want us to be civilised neighbours.

Her behaviour quickly changed.

I said goodnight and closed the door.
We are extremely quiet neighbours, we don't listen to music, we are asleep by 9:30 for goodness sake. We mow our lawn twice a month and rake up all the spare grass. No we haven't de-weeded our car space, I admit.

Does he have a problem or is this normal? Are we in the wrong? There really isn't more to this story unfortunately, it sounds like we've had some issues in the past for him to react like that but we'd only met them once before!
On a side note, when they were building and not living there, we always took in their parcels and put notes in their door to say we had them with my mobile number. They never came and I eventually dropped them off in their secure porch and let them know through a note in the door. They were big boxes and we didn't have space for them. They also left a big concrete slab lying in the middle of the path and my elderly granny came to visit and feel over it, and hurt herself badly. They aren't aware of this but I just accepted that they probably didn't mean to leave it there on purpose, and moved on..

Sorry for the long post however I'm still really upset about this for some reason and feel really scared to leave the house every time.. I feel genuinely intimidated.

Thanks in advance for any advice to fix the problem, I don't want it to happen again

OP posts:
Missingstreetlife · 19/03/2019 17:05

Agree, put on big pants and next time tell him to fuck off, be more unreasonable than him and don't back down.
Tell the wife, reasonably, not to let him bother you and you won't put up with it. Keep notes you may need to report for harassment. Good luck.

ScreamingValenta · 19/03/2019 17:11

I'd be upset and shaken by this, possibly tearful and I'm more than twice the OP's age - and probably twice her size Grin. Some people do react badly to confrontation, especially when it's a neighbour you know you'll have to see on a daily basis - please don't victim-blame the OP.

Sweetpea55 · 19/03/2019 17:19

What's petite got to do with anything? You mean your a short woman?

I find it weird that someone elses weeds can aggravate someones chrohns.

RavenLG · 19/03/2019 17:26

Some people do react badly to confrontation, especially when it's a neighbour you know you'll have to see on a daily basis - please don't victim-blame the OP.

Most people who react badly to confrontation wouldn't start a conversation with the wife of the aggressive neighbour in a confrontational way though.

ShinyRuby · 19/03/2019 17:32

He sounds a complete twat & I sympathise but you come across as a bit over friendly & eager to please in your OP. Agreeing to clean the drive as soon as he suggests it even when you couldn't see anything wrong probably made him think you'd be a pushover. Now show him that's not true! Draw a line, nodding terms only unless he plays up again when a firm "mind your own business" is all you need & then ignore. He's a proper bully. Good luck.

ChloePD · 19/03/2019 17:39

Thanks everyone for the kind advice, I agree, maybe I am a bit too sensitive and a pushover, that's just my nature and I will try to deal with it.

I have just purchased a smart doorbell that records video and sound around the vicinity and will put it up.

I'll be sure to not engage with them in anyway, but of course I won't be rude to them either.

I'm learning new things everyday, as I'm sure we most are, despite age Grin

OP posts:
Omzlas · 19/03/2019 17:47

As said by PP, you're not a girl - you're a grown woman who owns a house - time to put your big girl pants on OP. By the sounds of it, this won't be the last time that you have to engage with them. FWIW, I don't think your comment was aggressive, given how twatty NDN had spoken to you but you need to make sure you're giving as good as you get or they'll walk all over you

Make notes and keep dates and times, just in case anything comes back and you need to refer back to what was said etc

And for the record, I wouldn't be pulling up a single weed. Not. A. Single. One. The weeds are in your parking area and therefore your issue. But then I'm a bit of a twat like that....

thedisorganisedmum · 19/03/2019 17:58

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GiBlues · 19/03/2019 17:59

*And with regards to me crying, I am a 'petite' 22 year old girl

Big girls. Don't cry. They don't cry-ay-ay (they don't cry)
Beach Boys style*

Frankie Valli actuallyGrin

ENormaSnob · 19/03/2019 18:02

I think your bf needs to take him up on the boxing match offer...and pummel the shit out of him.

BeanTownNancy · 19/03/2019 18:06

I have cPTSD and in my 20s if a man shouted at me I would just break down (abusive father, obviously) so I completely sympathise with the OP. Never reacted that way to women and always stood up for myself when I could... Just it took many years of counselling and practice to be able to stand up to aggressive men. You'll get there OP, every day we learn something new and get a bit stronger.

Your neighbour sounds like a loon. Boxing matches, non-existent leaves and illegal bin placement. Hmm

Flowersintheatticconversion · 19/03/2019 18:18

mamama yes of course I read it. But he shouldn’t have to ask them to move. You only need to see the many parking threads here where the decent thing would be not to park there in the first place. You shouldn’t need to have to ask.

Tawdrylocalbrouhaha · 19/03/2019 18:22

Lokok, your neighbours are nuts. It's nothing to do with you, and you don't need to waste any niceness trying to get on with them. Just roll your eyes and keep walking.

Jenala · 19/03/2019 18:24

Yes to CCTV and also just note down anything like this so you have a log. Just keep a diary.

I had a terrible neighbour once when I was about your age and it was so intimidating. He behaved similarly. But it escalated and escalated and was horrible. Having a diary means you can refer to specific dates and times if you ever need to.

Some people are crazy.

Thesearmsofmine · 19/03/2019 18:32

Definitely get cctv up. No the car shouldn’t have been there but that doesn’t excuse the way he behaved.
There is nothing wrong with being shaken up but now you know what he can be like so be prepared.

I’d be tempted to plant some nice leafy trees too 😉

myhouseistoocold · 19/03/2019 18:33

A bt harsh on OP, if you are relatively young and have never dealt with a large aggressive man shouting and intimidating you, it can be a bit of a shock.

^^This.

MNers always come across so assertive, not all people have that natural confidence / assertiveness. People are different and have different responses. Some are more sensitive than others and that should not be considered a fault. We're all different.

ChloePD · 19/03/2019 18:38

@thedisorganisedmum maybe a bit harsh, I personally think I've done well for myself and the fact that a grown man thinks it's ok to bully me it's right. If someone parked in my car spot I wouldn't dream of being rude to them, especially if it was a first time occurrence. I have always been taught to respect people, I'm sure you would agree with this?

I would have cried has I still being living with 'mummy and daddy". It's got nothing to do with that. You're mixing immaturity (which I certainly am not) with the fact that I got (stupidly) over involved with something that shouldn't have upset me.

And it doesn't matter how many people on here have told me to grow up and not cry, I didn't mean to cry, I just did, and I will work on that in the future.

OP posts:
kbPOW · 19/03/2019 18:41

It really does take all sorts, as you can see from this thread OP. You're male neighbour has mental health issues and his wife is his enabler. There's literally nothing you can do to have a better relationship with them. They have dreadful boundaries and will never be reasonable. I actually think it's a really good thing you were firm with the wife. The sooner you tell them not to come to your door or approach you again, the better. CCTV is definitely the way to go. I'm sorry people have been so rude to you on here. You sound, understandably out of your depth here.

ScarletBitch · 19/03/2019 18:47

Nip this in the bud right now or else living next to them will be hell. Please do not let him intimidate you, if he has health issues their his problems not yours. You bought your house and are just as much entitled to live in peace as are they. If he knocks again just tell him from now on the Police will be involved and you are not prepared to talk to him. Put some CCTV up and ignore the idiot.

Spiritinabody · 19/03/2019 19:32

Well, now that your DB knows not to park in their space that is one issue resolved.

Perhaps you could put a heavy duty weedkiller suitable for paths on the driveway/your parking spaces? Once the weeds are dead scrape them out from between the blocks and then use a weedkiller that will stop anything from growing for 6-12 months (Sodium Chlorate?).

I know you said your bins are on your property but I'm wondering what he thinks is wrong with where they are.

Plenty of people have suggested CCTV to you. However, I would caution you to be very careful about this. We recently bought a camera system and when we read the instructions realised we couldn't fit any cameras where we needed them. Because of the coverage we would be intruding on our neighbour's drive and rear garden. We wouldn't have welcomed being intruded on in that way so returned it as we didn't want to cause problems with our neighbours.

Cherrysoup · 19/03/2019 19:54

After 4th or 5th time I told her to stop enabling his tantrums and never to knock my door again under any circumstances.

Exactly the right response, IMO. Use this, OP, then ignore the batshit neighbours.

thedisorganisedmum · 19/03/2019 20:53

ChloePD
maybe a bit harsh, but understand that people would be outraged on here if someone was accusing 22 year old mothers not to be adults, or not adult enough.

If you start a thread about new neighbours starting to park in your space, half the posters will advise to "nip it in the bud". From their perspective, you are the problem neighbour parking in their space (even if it was a genuine mistake) and not having their weird weed standards.

You found him intimidating, it probably wasn't even his intention to be, it sounds like he was just very pissed off. Ignore and move on.

HeckyPeck · 19/03/2019 21:08

I’d find a type of tree that sheds as many leaves as possible and plant it in my garden. Maybe put some plant feed down for the weeds too. 😈

He sounds like a right loon. “Do you want to throw all your weeds at me?” What the fuck?!

Mehaveit · 19/03/2019 23:07

If I'd popped round to point out a car was parked in my space and ask if it was yours and you immediately said sorry I'll move it I'd say great thank you have a good evening.

Not go full on bat shit at you! HWBU.

nokidshere · 19/03/2019 23:42

I'm 58 and I still cry when I'm raging and angry!

And remember when you put cctv up it can only record your own property

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