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ChloePD · 19/03/2019 14:58

Bit of background:

I'm 22, partner is 24. We just bought our first house about 8 months ago. Have been living there since. We are in a semi detached house. Our neighbours purchased their house about 3 months ago and have only started living there about 3 weeks ago, they had builders getting the house ready for them I suppose- it's a new build.

Anyway, we only met them for the first time on Tuesday last week. We pulled up in our car, got out and they were outside doing their garden. We stopped to introduce ourselves and had a chat. The neighbours are in their mid/late 40's if I were to guess. The guy did most of the talking, telling us how he had Crohns Disease, and how terrible it was. Also mentioned the fact that there were weeds growing in-between the bricks on the parking. He mentioned that one day it would be nice for us to all chip in and get this cleaned. We agreed happily, bearing in mind we have never noticed the weeds and upon closer inspection, it seems to be small amounts of moss, but really nothing noticeable.

Anyway, we went inside, I told my partner I thought he was a bit weird, and we moved on. Then on Friday, I was off uni and home alone, and heard him screaming (semi-detached house) and lots of banging. I ignored this and carried on my day. Heard nothing again since and hadn't seen him again.

On Sunday night, my older brother came to stay the night. He parked his car in the neighbours spot (we have two spaces each) which I hadn't realised, and my brother was not aware that the house had been purchased, as it was empty last time, so he didn't do it to be horrible. Anyway, I wasn't aware that he had parked there.

An hour after he had arrived, there was knocking on the door. I ran downstairs and opened the door, saw it was him and smiled. As I opened, I noticed my brothers car so I clocked why he was there, and before he said anything I said "oh sorry, I'll move the car for you quickly" (I assumed that's what he was there for). He then looked at me and very aggressively said "oh so you've done it on purpose"
Me: "No, I'm sorry I hadn't realised, my brother has parked there but I've got the keys I'll move it quickly"
Him: "listen to me, I can tell when people are being genuine with me and when people are trying to make me look stupid, and you are purposely trying to make me look stupid"
Me: I'm sorry, I'll move the car.

I shut the door, and my boyfriend came running down shouting "what was that" and tried to get out, I begged him to leave it as I hate confrontation. My brother at this point was having a shower and was completely unaware of the situation. I grabbed his keys, shaking, and asked my boyfriend to stand at the door as I moved the car.

I went outside and he started having a go at me again. He then told my boyfriend that what we were doing was illegal as we are aware that he is ill, and we are causing him stress. He also told him that were we leave our bins was illegal, and we were to move them. My boyfriend said no calmly, they are on the side of our house on a piece of land that belongs to us, not in anyone's way. He then asked my boyfriend if he wanted to have a boxing match, to which he replied no. I was moving the car at this point but could hear it all. He then asked if we wanted to throw all our weeds at him?? I got out the car and they were talking to each other (neighbour screaming at boyfriend, boyfriend talking). I begged him to go inside and leave him alone, went in and locked the door and broke down in tears.

I know it was nothing serious, however I as a person am very sensitive and hate conflict, I really do. I spent the next 15 minutes sobbing and shaking, I was completely shaken by what had just happened. On top of this, my little brother (9) was there too, we were having a little sleepover.

10pm, someone knocks at the door, it's his wife. She says she's come to clear the air, not apologise but clear the air. I looked at her and said "are you admitting he's in the wrong if you've come over to clear the air?"
Her: "No, you've both put him under tremendous amounts of stress recently, you don't pull out your weeds and there's constantly leaves blowing from your garden to ours (we don't even have any trees in our garden, definitely haven't got ANY leaves??!). So tonight was just the final straw. We've paid a lot of money for this house. We want it to look nice.
Me: could he not have come over and explained what we were doing wrong so we can try and fix it? We will always help if we're doing something wrong
Her: He didn't do anything wrong to you
Me: He did, and I have the whole thing recorded on my cars dashcam (I do but unfortunately you can't hear anything, you can just see it happening).
Her: well ive just come over as I want us to be civilised neighbours.

Her behaviour quickly changed.

I said goodnight and closed the door.
We are extremely quiet neighbours, we don't listen to music, we are asleep by 9:30 for goodness sake. We mow our lawn twice a month and rake up all the spare grass. No we haven't de-weeded our car space, I admit.

Does he have a problem or is this normal? Are we in the wrong? There really isn't more to this story unfortunately, it sounds like we've had some issues in the past for him to react like that but we'd only met them once before!
On a side note, when they were building and not living there, we always took in their parcels and put notes in their door to say we had them with my mobile number. They never came and I eventually dropped them off in their secure porch and let them know through a note in the door. They were big boxes and we didn't have space for them. They also left a big concrete slab lying in the middle of the path and my elderly granny came to visit and feel over it, and hurt herself badly. They aren't aware of this but I just accepted that they probably didn't mean to leave it there on purpose, and moved on..

Sorry for the long post however I'm still really upset about this for some reason and feel really scared to leave the house every time.. I feel genuinely intimidated.

Thanks in advance for any advice to fix the problem, I don't want it to happen again

OP posts:
Drogosnextwife · 19/03/2019 15:49

And with regards to me crying, I am a 'petite' 22 year old girl

No OP you are a grown woman not a girl, no need to be sitting sobbing for 15 mins.

Don't do anything differently, they can't make you weed your drive, if your bins are on your land they can't make you move them. Ignore and forget about it.

MadeInUSA · 19/03/2019 15:57

CCTV. That should be enough to put them off. You've done nothing wrong here, just make sure you get your phone out and start recording if either of them kick off again. If they are going to be ongoing neighbours from hell you'll need to keep a log of everything to give to the police so you might as well start now

AWishForWingsThatWork · 19/03/2019 16:01

Your neighbours are using his illness as an excuse to behave like twats. Not reasonable.

I'd ignore them from here on out. The parking was an honest mistake by your brother, and you immediately tried to rectify it and apologized; his behaviour in response was twattish.

Funny that the mention of a dash cam changed her behaviour immediately ... she knows they're in the wrong.

InnerCircle · 19/03/2019 16:01

And with regards to me crying, I am a 'petite' 22 year old girl

Big girls. Don't cry. They don't cry-ay-ay (they don't cry)
Beach Boys style

MiaowMix · 19/03/2019 16:05

Genuinely, why did you reference your age and theirs? It has literally no relevance to any of this. Unless you think that 40s is really really old. Being such a "petite girl" (aka woman).😂😂

WeepingWillowWeepingWino · 19/03/2019 16:08

he sounds like a very angry man, and that's not nice to live next door to, but there's not much you can do about that.

You, on the other hand, are a grown woman (not a girl), a homeowner and you had your 9 year old brother over. Your reaction was very over-the-top - I have a 9 year old and I'd be bloody cross if an adult behaved like you did in front of her, frightening her for no good reason, instead of reassuring her that everything was fine.

Going forward, I would keep a record of anything that might happen and if it escalates, report to the police.

I am very sorry that this happened.

murree · 19/03/2019 16:09

Id get CCTV as others have suggested - that alone should deter him from his outbursts.
It really is none of their concern if your drive has weeds as long as they are not damaging his property.
Don't worry about being shaken up - I would have been too in your position. Just avoid them as much as possible Smile

ddl1 · 19/03/2019 16:10

It does sound odd. I can understand them asking you not to use your parking space, but they are over the top. As I have Crohns myself (fairly mildly fortunately) I know that sometimes it is treated by corticosteroid drugs, which for some people can have the side effect of making them more irritable and aggressive; so maybe that might explain some of his behaviour? I would apologize for the parking incident and explain that it was one visitor and you will ask them not to do so again; but I would not take the blame for things that you haven't done.

Drum2018 · 19/03/2019 16:11

Shame to have to live beside these utter twats but you need to grow a thick skin as no doubt they will knock on your door again. Don't be so bloody obliging either. Any weeds on your drive are none of his concern. You don't have to clear them just because he says so. Do not speak to them again. If they call to your house and you happen to open the door just close it again. You don't have to listen to them or do what they say.

Drum2018 · 19/03/2019 16:12

You already apologised for the parking so no need to apologise again.

MaMaMaMySharona · 19/03/2019 16:12

what they do with their parking space is their business, you have no right to use it.

Did you read the rest of her post before commenting on it? She quite clearly says:

Yes of course, it's his parking space so he has every right to ask us to move, regardless of whether or not he needs to use it, but he could of at least done it nicely.

DarlingNikita · 19/03/2019 16:14

Can people please lay off the OP about crying and being upset? It may not be how you'd respond, but it was how she responded. Get over it and leave her alone, for heaven's sake.

OP, the neighbours sound like loons, especially the stuff about a boxing match Hmm and leaves blowing into their garden Hmm

Obviously stop doing them any favours like taking in parcels. And keep a note of any strange calls they pay you; it'll come in handy if you end up having to start a harassment case. And if anything like the slab happens again, raise merry hell. Politely, of course, and with photos/documentation!

BendydickCuminsnatch · 19/03/2019 16:16

A 22 year old is as much an adult as a 34 or 46 year old hmm

Absolute rubbish, there’s no way most 22 year olds have as much life experience as a 46 year old, and that’s what we’re talking about here. Obviously 22 IS an adult, but to say a 22 year old should handle stuff the same way as someone more than double their age is ridiculous.

WorraLiberty · 19/03/2019 16:17

And with regards to me crying, I am a 'petite' 22 year old girl

Oh stop it! You're a grown woman.

That sort of 'little girl' attitude is partly why some women will never be taken seriously.

PregnantSea · 19/03/2019 16:19

I think it's a rule that every neighbourhood has to have a crazy person who acts like this. Look upon him as an interesting part of the community and laugh about it in private with your DH.

rosinavera · 19/03/2019 16:20

OP they do sound very strange and I think you're right to get CCTV up. x

youknowmedontyou · 19/03/2019 16:22

Definitely a case for CCTV, I would also adopt a nip it in the bud approach.

Leaves don't belong to me, I'm not responsible for them blowing anyhow.

Neighbour "I'm not well" - sorry to hear that, you have told me before but I won't tolerate unreasonable behaviour anyway.

You're going to have to toughen up!

Danni91 · 19/03/2019 16:25

You are being way too sensitive and yes he sounds like he was being a bit of a jerk
I think you did know his car was there there is no way the first thing you would notice before the neighbour even said hello is a car behind him on his drive way.
Maybe after a minute or so but not before you had even had a slight chat!
You knew it was there I would stake money on it.
Secondly I think potentionally your sensitivity may have made the situation sound much worse than it is.

Guy knocks on your door
You answer and first thing you say is 'sorry I will move it'

Yes I would also believe you had done it on purpose/knew it was there.

There was really no need to cry or beg your boyfriend to stay inside and leave it only to ask him moments later to stand at the door instead.
I have a feeling you and your neighbour may end up deserving each other.

Danni91 · 19/03/2019 16:28

For all you know he could have been coming over to ask you politely to move it but opening the door admitting fault without so much as a hello would get my back up too.

user1467718508 · 19/03/2019 16:31

All of this has happened in the space of a couple of weeks? Think you've sadly got yourself a pair of curtain twitches who thrive on creating drama out of nothing.

CCTV and stay clear of them.

Don't engage with BS about leaves/weeds/how often the grass is cut/where your bins are if they're on your land.

They're trying to intimidate you because it makes them feel big and gives them something to talk about.

Rrxox · 19/03/2019 16:40

Welcome to the world of nutty neighbours.. mine barked at my dog, who would’ve stopped barking at him if he could’ve heard me over the madman barking.
I also get the point of being a small built, younger home owner. Having a 6ft 5 neighbour scream towering over me while heavily pregnant is intimidating, but then again I’ve been referred to as a Rottweiler with lipstick.. so it probably just makes me blow a few extra fuses. NDN didn’t want to look at builders stuff out front that time.. not sure how I’m meant to have external work done to the house, besides an invisibility cloak for the labourers or chasing them with bags Grin.. did suggest both to NDN.

Only real advice is cctv if you think he’d be daft enough to do anything, plant as many large cherry blossom trees as you can and ignore them.

hereweareyes · 19/03/2019 16:42

opening the door admitting fault without so much as a hello would get my back up too

Oh come on, are you seriously saying that you can understand why someone would jump straight to “you’ve done it on purpose, you’re deliberately trying to make me look stupid.” Confused

If so please explain the thought process, we could all learn something here!

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 19/03/2019 16:44

A bt harsh on OP, if you are relatively young and have never dealt with a large agressive man shouting and initimidating you, it can be a bit of a shock.. but now she is forewarned.

You have his measure now OP, so you know what to expect and can plan how to react next time.

Just ignore, ignore ignore OP and as others have said get a camera set up and if they come to the door about anything have your phone ready to record them, especially if the conversation becomes agressive.
if he is invading your personal space to shout at you, you don't have to stand there and take it. Walk away shut the door etc.
If you still feel under threat, do a self defence class to help you deal with situations like this more confidently in future.
Most importantly, just blot them out of your mind and don't let them spoil your enjoyment of your home.

DarlingNikita · 19/03/2019 16:46

Guy knocks on your door
You answer and first thing you say is 'sorry I will move it'
Yes I would also believe you had done it on purpose/knew it was there.

Have a word with yourself. It wouldn't cross your mind that they'd noticed it as they opened the door?

N2986 · 19/03/2019 16:51

Op you're unfairly getting some flack here. I also don't deal with confrontation well but have learned in some circumstances it's better to just tell someone to fuck off rather than deal with years of crap.

Don't engage with him, don't apologise, just ignore him. Some people thrive on drama

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