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To ask how racist you think the UK is?

278 replies

HateWarts · 17/03/2019 08:23

I’ve seen videos on this before, I’m wondering how you feel about it.

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chillpizza · 17/03/2019 17:00

Scandilover sounds like my town.

We have a very clear drive between the Pakistani area and the Polski area. Although both unite against the Romanians. The polski area is welcoming to white British, the Pakistani area not so much in fact as a teenager I was warned agasint ever visiting as it wouldn’t be safe for myself the same was continued at college that it was not safe for white girls and our teachers confirmed as such. The Romanians welcome everyone but the polski and Pakistani.

So much for intigration and multiculturalism.

chillpizza · 17/03/2019 17:00

Divide not drive that should say.

hdh747 · 17/03/2019 17:04

Where I live is very culturally diverse. A couple of the nearby towns whites are very much in the minority. Mostly people get on fine but you see racism in both directions.

From the white English it is usually to do with casual use of the P word. And complaints about immigrants taking all the jobs. There may be much more goes on than that, that I don't witness. From a certain section of Asian men it is an attitude that white women are trash, slags, not respectable.

I was shopping at a market stall one day when an Asian lady pushed me out of the way. The Asian stall owner shouted at her and beckoned me forward. So it's really variable is all I can say.

I regularly shop at an Asian supermarket. And everyone I meet there seem lovely. I follow their facebook page as they have all sorts of offers on at different times and events like hand-painting or cooking demonstrations. Many customers, white or brown, join in wishing everyone happiness for Eid. At Christmas the page wished a Happy Christmas to those of their customers who celebrate it, which I thought was nice. But many of their page followers got very heated saying they don't recognise Christmas and they shouldn't be pandering to the non-muslims. Is that racism? I'm not sure since they do call themselves a muslim supermarket.

silvercuckoo · 17/03/2019 17:29

Not very racist compared to other countries I lived in.
Racism towards Eastern Europeans is nothing compared to the hate between individual groups inside the community. Poles consider Ukrainians sub-human, Bulgarians hate Romanians with passion etc.

Looobyloo · 17/03/2019 17:58

@Iwantatattoo what would.would you call it then? Surely racism is hatred towards a different culture, religion or country. These two hated the English.

BlackPrism · 17/03/2019 18:05

I think that among some sets (white working class in poorer areas) it's really fucking racist... horribly so. It is less racist among young people in metropolitan areas, like London.

Overall the UK is really still quite racist though mostly against Asians...

White people are not discriminated against, I'm white and I never have to worry about being treated differently because of my skin colour. If you're talking about BAME quotas then you're forgetting that they exist because BAME people are discriminated against in regular life such as job interviews and they deserve an equal shot at success.

Think EQUITY not equality.

BlackPrism · 17/03/2019 18:08

I do think some Asian people do not like white people and judge them/ are rude to them for being white which I guess could be seen as racist... but as the majority it is unlikely they could do anything which would actually harm white peoples opportunity so I don't think it's really racism.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 17/03/2019 18:09

It is racism if you look down on another race.

lboogy · 17/03/2019 18:09

I think racism is relative. So relative to many parts of Europe I'd say, despite Brexit the U.K. is extremely low down on the list

I've been to Italy , Portugal, Spain, and experienced some pretty shit treatment. People rudely stare or just treat you with little respect

BlackPrism · 17/03/2019 18:11

@lovinglifexo I would know because I don't only hang out with white people... I do actually have friends who talk to me and tell me when someone/thing has upset them. Plus, I watch the bloody news...

anniehm · 17/03/2019 18:22

There's racism but it's not as bad as many places. And it's not a case of white people being the sole perpetrators - their open racism against white people especially women around here too - I rent my hall to anyone of any religion yet the hall down the road only rents to Asian people, just a case I'm personally familiar with.

Why can't people just live and let live? It doesn't matter the colour of your skin or which brand of God you are into (or none) we are all human and equal!

Gronky · 17/03/2019 18:24

but as the majority it is unlikely they could do anything which would actually harm white peoples opportunity

I would say the murder of Laura Wilson was definitely motivated by racism and scandilover is unable to freely move through parts of her home city. There's many ways opportunity can be limited by a minority group just as prejudicial actions of white working class individuals can still be racist even if they have limited power over who is employed or offered other opportunities.

'Racism = prejudice + power' is a racist statement because it infantilises ethnic minority individuals, presuming that they have no control over the world they live in.

Dervel · 17/03/2019 18:25

I think we’re all racist to some extent. The human mind is a fantastic piece of kit and an amazing at spotting and recognising patterns, but it does not do so based on objective critical principles. We all fall prey to stereotypes for precisely that reason.

In fact in an objective scientific sense racism isn’t strictly speaking possible as there isn’t really a way you can lock down what a race even is scientifically. We are all far far more similar than we are different, and there simply aren’t even any sub-species for Homo Sapiens.

What is really going on are different cultures running up against one another and racism is the friction that ensues when tensions between cultures rub up against one another, and yes perceptions and cultural definitions of race are a facet of any given culture.

If we are going to make multi-culturism work, and I would very much like to we need to dismantle the very cultural concept of race we are
very much stuck in. This is going to take an great deal of work and most importantly good will on all sides.

Tavannach · 17/03/2019 18:31

I think the more culturally diverse the area the less racism there is. But there is racism everywhere in the UK sadly.

gamerwidow · 17/03/2019 18:36

I think the more culturally diverse the area the less racism there is
That’s becayse the more you see other races and religions just getting on with normal stuff the less there is to fear about them.

woodhill · 17/03/2019 18:38

Totally agree annie but what you tell me about the renting thing annoys me and why is it allowed in 2019?

SilverySurfer · 17/03/2019 18:55

Exactly buttermilkwaffles they almost seem proud of being racist. I find it bizarre.

I agree with the PP who mentioned some Scots hating the English and I suppose vice versa although never seen any of the latter. One time I was in Scotland at a bar ordering drinks when the man standing next to me suddenly turned and said 'why don't you fuck off back where you came from'. I'm white, as was he. Would you call that being racist? I don't know.

Dervel · 17/03/2019 18:55

@Tavannach I see what you mean and to an extent I agree, but there are areas that may be diverse but haven’t integrated. Those also tend to be flash points.

iwantatattoo · 17/03/2019 19:05

' Surely racism is hatred towards a different culture, religion or country'

Racism is hatred of another race based on the opinion that the other race is inferior to your own.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 17/03/2019 19:05

As a Scot I was told to ‘go home’ by a non white guy - I asks him if the irony was lost on him. I’ve had enough anti Scots comments too but having a Glaswegian accent helps when you tell people to piss off. And having an English mum too!

NeverNeverNeverland · 17/03/2019 19:11

Name changed for this.

I am white Jewish, grew up and went to a Jewish school in the UK.

During my time at school I experienced - being spat at by kids from other schools, having anti-semitic songs sang at me and my friends to taunt us walking to school, told I should hold onto my wig in windy weather (never worn one), told that we were "dirty Jews", seen friends punched and abused for being Jewish, followed to the tube by random adults and one of my friends was pushed off a bus and broke their leg. I know of other Jews who have had glass bottles thrown at them and abuse shouted from passing cars whilst walking to synagogue.

Unfortunately about 60% of the people doing this were non-white. Black kids from the local comprehensive used to come and shout and swear at us from behind the school gates regularly.

In primary school had many friends from different ethnic groups and thought that minorities should have solidarity with one another.

What I realised is that anyone can be racist or anti-semitic, no matter the colour, religion or background.

Hobsbawm · 17/03/2019 19:28

Very.

Racism in all its forms is rife in the UK. Everyday racism, as well as more "obvious" forms have been in the increase in the past few years. It's a awful what some people will say, and then defend, when they feel comfortable enough.

Hobsbawm · 17/03/2019 19:29

Oh, and I'd say it's far more blatant than it was a couple of decades ago and is on a par with the levels I remember from my childhood a couple of decades before that.

whatifI · 17/03/2019 19:33

There was alot of racism when I was a kid in the 70's, as in they were not bothered who hears them saying it and some would cross the road to shout in your face.

Then in the 80's it was less obvious, more "I'm not racist because my aunt 's sister is married to an Indian/ Pakistani/Bangladeshi but....(insert racist comment or viewpoint)"

In the 90's not experienced any and looking back, nobody tolerated any racism in any way shape or form.

In the 00's started to creep back with hidden comments in conversations but told not aimed at me as its them just making an observation and comment about what is in tbe media, so I shouldn't feel it is aimed at me.

Nowadays - have had people ask me to justify and explain why terrorists do what they do. Have had people ask me my opinion on how I feel about any media report involving Muslims or terror. Asked how I feel about Shamima Begum and whether I agree as a muslim on her not being allowed back. Then being told they asked me as I'm muslim and no one else on the table being asked.

People telling me to go back to my country, and tell me to go back to my parent's or grandparent's country when I tell them I am British and was born here and have no other home. Then told I may be British but I'm not English so should go back to where my lot came from.

whatifI · 17/03/2019 19:34

So I think the UK is quite racist and alot of people hide it quite well

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