To ask how racist you think the UK is?

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I’ve seen videos on this before, I’m wondering how you feel about it.

Yes the UK still has a racism and xenophobia issue. I don’t think it ever fully went away but now people are saying in public the stuff they previously just thought in private. BAME people are better protected in the workplace now but they still face subconscious if not overt discrimination in white dominated workplaces.
All of us should question ourselves when we are dealing with different races and religions to check if we are letting our subconscious prejudices affect our decisions. I know I’ve has some uncomfortable realisations doing this that I’m not as unprejudiced as i thought I was when I’ve really examined my thoughts and it’s made me a better person as a result. Introspection is always a good thing we’ve all got blind spots due to past experiences that we should look at.

Whilst there is racism on display with regard to Irish/Welsh/Scots/Eastern Europeans, it's not as widespread or as knee jerk as it is to Asians and Black People. They are instantly judged on the colour of their skin, before they've even had a chance to speak.

What about Windrush?

And May's "hostile environment", designed to make immigrants leave.

What's that, if it's not legitimised, institutional xenophobia?

Maybe the change in climate is because the mainstream right are trying to neutralise the likes of UKIP by being more like them,

@BertrandRussell - White people are not discriminated against in the U.K.

Of course they are. My mother remembers the No blacks, No Irish signs in the 60s. The discrimination against catholics in Northern Ireland that led to the civil rights movement and ultimately to the troubles was discrimination against white people. I spent time in the UK in the 80's and there was significant anti-Irish sentiment around in certain areas. Eastern European people seem to suffer discrimination these days.

Obviously it's not racism but it is xenophobia. However, I think racism against people of different colours is more overt and difficult to avoid. Being white Irish, I'm unlikely to get shouted at in the street, unless someone hears my accent, whereas a black or Asian-heritage woman is visibly identifiable as "different" to those who are that way inclined.

White people are not discriminated against in the U.K.

White middle class people aren’t discriminated against.

One of the biggest scandals of the last decade up and down the UK has been that thousands and thousands of UK white working girls and their families were denied equal access to the law and public services because of their race and that of their attackers.

Cheshire Police has been found guilty of discriminating against white people in employment.

A marketing agency is currently subject to a tribunal because let a number of staff go and one director said this was because they were ‘obliterating...white privileged straight men’ from the agency.

The shadow education minister, a member of the party which is supposed to represent the working classes, said that working class children achieve the worst educational results because their families are feckless, they lack aspiration and don’t try hard enough.

White working class boys are the group least likely to go to university yet the left are claiming too many of them are taking apprenticeships and they’re trying to work out a way to drive them out of that route too. Remember that’s the group with the lowest educational attainment of any group - and the left wants to reduce opportunities for them.

The West Midlands fire service has lowered BAME people to 60% pass score while for white men it remains 70%.

Calling white working people ‘gammon’ is accepted and celebrated by many people.

Only 6% of doctors come from a working class background.

The class pay gap is as wide as the race pay gap when comparing people with the same qualifications.

I'm white and lived in London for nearly 20 years. In that time I've had Black, Asian, Pakistani, White, Purple (!) friends from all ethnicities, countries and races.

I personally don't care about what skin colour you have but I like a person for what is on the inside, however yes there is still some racism in the UK..

BUT I will tell you something that racism comes from all different backgrounds and people. I believe that all races are just as bad as each other. You can get a nasty racist White man for example just the same as you can also get a nasty racist Black or Asian man for example.

I'm so fed up of people always blaming the whites!

As a white woman I've been called a "white bitch" on nights out. I've been sexualised and called a "white piece of meat" by a group of Black men. I've also been attacked by a group of Muslim girls in high school because they wanted something I had. It does happen.

I now live on the South Coast as I stayed here after University and there aren't as many Black or Asian people in this city. The 2 people that I do work with who are black we are close colleagues and I don't see them any differently however my company does?!

They get sent to a monthly all day meeting about race and ethnicity and get paid to do it (sit around and talk and eat and that's what my friend told me who attends!)

When my other colleague who is polish but has lived here many years and speaks English asked if she could attend she was denied because she's white and British and won't understand the hardship the others have gone through.... Racist much!?

White woman here married to a Black British man whose family originated from Ghana. I often have to shake my head in disbelief at what people think it's ok to say to me. If I had a pound for everytime I heard 'I'm not racist but!!!'...me and DH have been abused verbally by white and black people who seem disgusted by our relationship.

Fell out with one friend who commented that my 4 year old could pass for Mediterranean so that would be a benefit for her...

doIreallyneedto - Without wanting to put words in Bertrand's mouth, I assumed that she interpreted the OP's point as being "racism goes both ways, white people are discriminated against by black and Asian people as much as vice versa" , and that she was responding to that? The fact that white people of certain nationalities have historically been oppressed, and are still discriminated against, by other white people is a different point.

White working class boys are the group least likely to go to university yet the left are claiming too many of them are taking apprenticeships and they’re trying to work out a way to drive them out of that route too. Remember that’s the group with the lowest educational attainment of any group - and the left wants to reduce opportunities for them

The left couldn’t give a shit about working class white people anymore. That’s why labour are finished. Although I doubt the tories are much better.

Having grown up in the States, I find UK racism is very comparable to US racism, as much as most Brits I know disagree even when we have the stats that show things like the UK having more black prisoners in comparison to the total population than the US does. There are obviously differences, but I find - institutionally and socially - both have a lot of rigid judgements on actual or perceived heritage and a baseline default that people are judged against in an all in or all out sort of way. I find also that, institutionally, Brits are less likely to acknowledge the history of racial civil rights in the UK - former mostly White British colonies are always used as examples as if the UK had nothing to do with that situation or any of its own to draw from. The US is getting more and more like that too, but there is still plenty of material there for all age groups.

I think it's important to not allow ideologies to oversimplify the picture. Yes, many far-right groups use attacks against White British people as a rallying cry and it's important that that is challenged and that any discussion on it remains proportional to those affected. That doesn't mean we should ignore that, statistically, we do have racial prejudice and hate crimes against White people of all backgrounds, including some very violent ones. It happens and staying in line with some ideologies to say that it doesn't and trying to explain it away rather than simply looking at the numbers and listening to people's experience that it does but in nowhere near the numbers as other groups, especially in comparison to the population, makes no sense to me.

That it's now really obvious how many in some leftist circles think if they put White in front of their bigotted shite or to excuse violence, that ideological construct is being played not for anyone's benefit but those who want an excuse to be assholes rather than to actually discuss how much less White people are affected by racism, especially institutionally.

You would hardly know; the vast majority of racism is directed at black, Asian and Muslims and non-white British people !

Actually, "white" British Jews experience huge amounts of racism and violent attacks according to statistics.

I was in Leicestershire in the 70's during the Ugandan Asian crisis. Some of the things I heard and saw then were unbelievably rascist, all begat by the inflow into Leicester of maybe half a million people (I await correction on that) so I would say the UK is a lot less rascist now than it was back then but still a long way to go!

@badstarttothedayisitoveryet - Without wanting to put words in Bertrand's mouth, I assumed that she interpreted the OP's point as being "racism goes both ways, white people are discriminated against by black and Asian people as much as vice versa" , and that she was responding to that?

The op asked Would you say some races (including white people) are more discrimated against than others? They didn't suggest that the racism was coming from any particular group.

Bertrand stated, incorrectly, that white people are not discriminated against. (S)he did not state that white people are not discriminated against by other races. Even if that was said, I don't think that is the case. There are bigots and racists in all groups of people.

The main difference between a BAME person discriminating against a white British person and a white British person discriminating against a BAME person is due to impact and levels of privilege. In general, white British people have more power and privilege than BAME people so the effect of discrimination is more insidious and harmful when focused on BAME people.

I think the UK is very racist unfortunately.

It’s just more hidden now than it used to be. Just like sexism and other forms of discrimination. A significant number of people still hold those views but have learned to keep quiet about it. I too find that its mainly people over 30 in my experience. I live in a Conservative stronghold in the Midlands.

I think that the UK is less racist than France for example. And it takes a different form to the US.

Here no mainstream politicians would openly share racist views, even if they held them in private. I lived in North Carolina for a few months in the 90s and couldn't say the same for there.

I think most people have a degree of racism. Having worked in a bank we wouldn't buzz someone in wearing a motorbike helmet or balaclava but would be expected to buzz in a woman in full face covering. Worrying as a nearby branch was held up by a man wearing a Muslim woman's clothes and face covering. We get so many cues from seeing someone's face while in conversation so I don't like this aspect. Does that make me racist? Possibly. I'd feel the same whoever hid their face but it is only Muslim women who do it.

The UK is less racist than most places. I think that many people privately hold some appaling views, especially those aged 30-50. Things were worse decades ago but there is still institutional racism.

All of my Asian, black and Arab friends and colleagues have been subject to constant racial slurs and either been attacked or beaten by white racists. They are scared when out alone in public in non diverse areas. They are invited to fewer interviews and less likely to get jobs or promotions (even when objectively the most suitable candidate). I've seen how they receive poorer treatment and are less likely to get second chances.

Very if you consider sectarianism or being English in Scotland (worse ++ since the referendum)

I'm curious about that. I have not seen anti English sentiment, and I am a Scottish Nationalist. Yes, we dislike Westminster more than ever but I have not seen it directed at individual English people. I am willing to believe it if several people tell me it is happening. On the other hand it was common when I was a child for an English child to be bullied at school.

Sectarianism is different from racism since it is a bunch of white Scots hating other white Scots. Is it increasing? I know a bunch of unionists (rangers supporters) fly English flags as a way to goad Nationalists.

I hate sectarianism, I grew up in an area where it was rife, still have some older family members in the Orange Lodge and am always shocked with the anti Catholic statements they will proudly make. A cousin who married a Catholic has had ongoing problems from both sides which is ridiculous in this day and age.

As for racism against non white people it exists. Just look at the comments section of any newspaper and you will soon find it.

My local mosque do a lot of good work in the community and even that is attacked as "showing off because they are muslim, you don't see white people boasting about being white and doing good deeds"

Loads of racism aimed at ALL groups including white British. It depends on the area. Plenty of white British are on the receiving end of racism if in an area where they are in a minority. It's everywhere

Most people here and people offline will agree that there is racism against white people.

However, I feel like some white posters here are dismissing or ignoring posts by people about racism against non-white people. Won't someone please think of the white people! Why? Go and ask people you know what they think of various minority groups. (I'm white by the way).

I think it's very common still tbh. When moving out of a house we had neighbours saying they hoped there wouldn't be "fucking Paki's" moving in. I've had my otherwise lovely IL's making comments about immigrants causing problems (lifted straight from the Daily Fail). When I read comments on local news reports the vile anti-Muslim comments make me want to scream. I'm a white MC woman and yet I am very aware of racism going on around me. I'm sure it's even more obvious to those on whom it has more of a direct impact.

I was in Leicestershire in the 70's during the Ugandan Asian crisis. Some of the things I heard and saw then were unbelievably rascist, all begat by the inflow into Leicester of maybe half a million people (I await correction on that) so I would say the UK is a lot less rascist now than it was back then but still a long way to go!

In 1972, almost 60,000 Ugandan Asians were expelled from the country by President Idi Amin.[1] The British government ultimately permitted 27,000 to move to the UK through the Uganda Resettlement Board.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugandan_migration_to_the_United_Kingdom

That kind of exaggeration does nothing to help. Presumably, Leicester wasn't the only place they settled in the UK either.

Which group has the lowest chance of university entry? The worst educational outcomes?

It’s amazing how often not being able to spell “racist” is an indication that someone is a racist.........

Calling white working people ‘gammon’ is accepted and celebrated by many people.

I've only heard 'gammon' used in reference to UKIP/BNP/racists, not as a generic term for the white working class. More of a reference to attitude than ethnicity.