To wonder why we can’t possibly have another referendum yet Theresa May can have as many votes as needed in order to return the ‘right’ answer

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Just that really.

I’m not even massively in favour of another referendum as it’s clear views are so entrenched the result probably won’t change.

But for Theresa May to insist the result of the referendum must be honoured whilst simultaneously re-running votes on the Withdrawal Agreement until she gets the answer she wants is mind boggling.

It’s not even a good basis for a deal - all the rules and very little freedom.

Leavers - is this what you wanted?

Are you happy with this fiasco?

Right now the only choice should be no deal, and let everyone see the devastating it’s going to cause, or revoke.

Seriously chloemol have you been following the goings-on in parliament ? This is what you had in mind when you voted leave????

Its amazing how many leavers are saying they actively voted for chaos, to be poorer, and have been able to proclaim every failure by brexit mps, Davis, Johnson, Gove as being the fault of the EU which has declined to roll over as demanded and asked for something that makes sense. And still they welcome more of it. Very worrying. Imagine if Leavers were in charge of the country? Oh, hang on though . . .

@chloemol
we get to trade with whoever we want
Who does the UK not trade with at present that it will be able to after Brexit
List the countries please

It’s not even remotely the same thing in terms of political process. But it’s just as stupid and nonsensical. There’s an impasse between what the EU has been willing to agree (concede even if were going to be really honest), what is good for Britain and, what brexiteers in parliament will allow. This was the case from the very beginning. May is an idiot for even trying to negotiate a deal on Ernest. The government should have focused on planingfor a no deal scenario, put minimal effort into agreeing an EU deal, and presented two fairly clear and well defined options to parliament. Instead May focusedall her energy on achieving the impossible (pleasing everyone) and now that she has failed is trying to use the threat of the uncertain to frighten parliament into accepting her failure. The tories shouldn’t have voted a remainder as their leader during brexit. Bloody idiots.

@talkinpeace she means agree trade deals with. Common misconception amongst brexiteers. Not sure where they think their imports from non eu treatied countries have been coming from

Im just going to see what the replies to talkin are

Ive a feeling there won't be any

But im gonna lurk anyway

gregory
The tories shouldn’t have voted a remainder as their leader during brexit
[Hmm]
I'm an immigrant to the UK
Tresemme is a xenophobic racist whose policies as Home Secretary significantly contributed to the vote.
Her Islamophobia feeds into the attitudes that created the horrors in New Zealand.

Speaking of Putin he must be very amused that after bankrupting USSR in lengthy arms race, and keeping an army of thousands, all it really required to destabilise the West was a roomfull of students armed with laptops and a subliminal campaign to trigger our deepest fears and xenophobia. And look at the result. Cheapest war in history.

From satirical website News Thump

From satirical website News Thump

Might be better to pretend to be a Russian bot than to smugly crow about your breathtaking ignorance. If you are real, I feel sorry for you.

Because we have a system that lets us vote about once every five years then let them get on with it. Apparently that is democracy. If the person voted in by their constituents then totally discounts the views of those who have voted them in (as in some cases where the majority of constituents voted remain) that is ok. You could have an amazing MP who totally represents the local area but when we are asked to vote we are voting for the party we want in power. There are lots of hard working MPs with a huge sense of responsibility for their electorate. Unfortunately only Reece-Mogg, Boris Johnson and pals grab the headlines.

I'm surprised that instead of going on about a third vote you are not complaining that May could well be buying a win by paying the DUP yet more money.

That may well be something that we could all get behind.

I would rather not honour the referendum than have another

I am not convinced we wouldn’t end up with the same result

I do get frustrated about people complaining about lack of democracy in the EU.

The UK is probably the least democratic political system in the EU. We have a totally unelected upper House and a constituency system which discriminates against the poor and urban residents.

We have been under represented in the EU for years because UKIP MEPs take their nice salary and then don't actually participate in the EU political process in protest.

Voter turnout has been shockingly low in the UK for European elections for years and yet the idea of being dictated to by Brussels is banded about constantly.

If it was such a big problem, where was the campaign for EU reform? Where were people on voting day when they had the chance to send people to Brussels with a proper agenda?

And in terms of a second referendum being undemocratic because the people have spoken, the first referendum was a snapshot of views on a particular day. As the situation evolves and more information becomes available, views and opinions change. Why object to clarifying if the electorate still want to leave?

We don't just have an election and leave the MP's in power until they die. We keep going back to the people every few years to see if they still want what they wanted before and if what they voted for last time is meeting their expectations. Surely with the biggest constitutional change in 30 years, it is worth asking again?

I don't think there should be a second referendum but that it because I think the government should front up and admit that this isn't working and cancel brexit altogether

Given that HoC convention is that you can’t represent the same motion that has already been defeated it will be interesting to see what happens when MV3 is trotted out next week. I’m thinking Bercow will allow MV3 but draw the line at MV4?

It seems the only meaningful vote is for politicians to have.

we get to trade with whoever we want, and lots are waiting and willing to trade with us

We can trade with anyone now. It’s the tariffs that are affected. If we leave the EU, we lose out on all of those trade deals already negotiated (with the buying power of the whole European Union) and have to spend time trying to negotiate others. With who? China? US? Substandard products at best as I see it.
Meanwhile, the goods we usually import from the territories we usually deal with start attracting higher tariffs as we no longer have trade deals with them.... in the hope that we can buy decent goods at a decent price from elsewhere??

I do agree with you OP. Although what pisses me off is all the point scoring between leavers and remainers and hardly anyone anywhere seems to be talking about the effect on the good Friday agreement.

I think the reason we’re in this mess can be summed up with these 2 sentences which Leavers frequently say, without the slightest hint of irony

And before any Remainers start I, along with the rest of the leavers are fully aware of what we voted for, and what it means

Followed by

We don’t know for sure what’s going to happen, and not saying it’s not going to be tough to start with.

You couldn’t possibly know what you were voting for because no one even now really knows what it means.

Agree fully. Justine greening askednthis In Wednesday night. Bercow thanked her for reminding him there may need to be a ‘ruling’ on this (not sure right word). Little used parliamentary rule ( little used because rarely does it arise) if not reciting on something within a certain period - think 12 month.

Sorry typos - ‘of not voting on something already subject of vote’ that should have read.

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I know they keep threatening we can’t fly over their air space, but they then can’t fly over ours,"
They must be quaking in their boots.

I agree with everything Spiderbanana said, especially the last sentence.

That was another cracker stealth 😂

Even if it were true, flying around an island isn’t too difficult. Avoiding most of Europe would make journeys to the South and East intersting!