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AIBU to feel horrified by this personal attack

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Terriblyhurt32 · 12/03/2019 21:15

Hello.

I've name changed for this as I'm so ashamed. I am a single mother with beautiful young children. An old friend contacted me via fb over 3 years ago and we began what I can only describe as an emotional affair. I think I was vulnerable and needed the company.

Any way fast forward and 2 years ago I loaned him nearly £6000 - I am so trusting and he did say he would return it. But he has only returned £500. But I was so deeply in love with this man I didn't care
Money was not important he was.

Late last year I went to visit.him abroad even though it was so hard for me. I stayed with him for 2 weeks and we had the most amazing time together. I slept with.him and he even asked me to be in a long term relationship. I was so happy. The first time we had sex he did say to me what's that smell and I laughed saying sometimes there is a smell after sex..

2 days ago I was getting fed up of bring permanently skint and my car gave up on me so I asked him for some cash in a nice email.

He called me very very drunk at night and said that I was annoying him by asking for money knowing he hasn't got it at the moment - I said no it's ok just give it to.me when you have it. He them said that I really smelled down there when we were intimate and that that was proof I was sleeping around with a different man every day !!! He swore at me and called me all sorts if unrepeatable names. I was horrified and told him in no uncertain.terms to do one !!
He blocked.me and told.me to never call him again.

I am so hurt that all my feelings for this man were obviously misplaced and he has been so cruel I will never forgive him . I have been told I'm a beautiful woman and shower everyday amd pride myself on good hygiene. He has humiliated me and made me feel worthless.

I.sent him an email and told him he was an uneducated baffoon and got alot off my chest..but I feel so cheap.

How could I be so stupid. I trusted him intimately after a very long time and he has made me feel like a whore.

Plse tell me I'll get over this. I've been quietly seething for 2 days and desperately want revenge!!!

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Ce7913 · 13/03/2019 05:37

Reality:

Certain men have a deep and abiding contempt for women.

They act out their contempt for women in various ways.

A certain subset of such men enact their contempt for women via seduction 'cons'.

With these men, their every observation of, and interaction with, girls and women is filtered through the lens of certain misogynistic narratives:

a. That girls/women are inherently inferior, weak - born 'marks' that are and hormonally- and emotionally-driven to the point of (at best) stupidity and (at worst) sub-humanity.

And,

b. That girls/women are corruptive, impure, avaricious jezebels who are all out to 'tempt' men, empty their wallets, trap them into marriage and/or parenthood, withhold the sex to which they are 'entitled', and betray and emasculate them.

... It should not be lost on anyone that these narratives are 'conveniently' self-serving for the man in question:

  • Casting women as inferior to men instead of as equals deserving of respect and dignity handily 'justifies' his predilection to view and treat women as 'resources' to be used - for an ego-boost, for free emotional and physical labour, for comfort and support, for sexual release, for padding his wallet.
  • Casting women as dirty, faithless, grasping would-be-victimisers of men absolves him of, and entitles him to - in his own mind, anyway - any manipulation, exploitation, deception or abuse that he commits in order to gain those^ benefits.

OP:

I am a total stranger, admittedly - hi from Australia! - but I am positively willing you to hear me on this:

The kinds of comments that your particular scumbag made are very much the go-to insults that these sorts of men who secretly hate women throw out all the time when they're called on their behaviour.

I understand how profoundly hurtful such comments can be - and how they can get under your skin almost against your will - but please believe me when I say that what he said has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with you. Nothing.

He would have said this to any other woman who had the 'temerity' (read: self-worth) to expect that he pay back a large loan - gasp! - or to otherwise expect ongoing reciprocity in a relationship with him.

You must, must see his insults for what they were - the pathetically transparent attempt of an ethically- and intellectually-bankrupt deadbeat loser to manufacture an offence that 'justifies' that which he intended to do all along, i.e. rip off a lower-income single mother.

The vulgar lashing-out of a small, hateful man who attacked (what he sees as) your womanhood, your identity in order to instill self-doubt, humble and debase you as 'punishment' for you ending his gravy train and for your crime of claiming equal personhood in your relationship with him.

I cannot emphasise this enough:

You have nothing to be ashamed of here.

You entered into an adult relationship with him in good faith. He did not.

You are someone who is healthy and functional and capable of giving and receiving love and respect; he represented himself to be the same in order to take advantage of you.

Please do not take on the burden of shame and self-doubt that so rightly belongs to him by virtue of his fundamentally - and severely - defective character.

Oh, and -

  1. Find out your options re. suing the tool. Small claims processea are relatively inexpensive in many countries.
  1. For future reference - no honourable, decent, responsible man asks someone they are dating for money in the first two years of the relationship.

I would go so far as to say that no honourable, decent, responsible man asks a lower-income single mother for money full stop.

The only exceptions would be ridiculously extreme, like, "My house burned down due to arson and I'm a labourer who just lost four fingers in a freak lawnmower accident" extreme.

Lllot5 · 13/03/2019 06:29

What a brilliant last post that was exactly right in every aspect.

Terriblyhurt32 · 13/03/2019 06:53

@Ce7913 thank you for your very thorough post..i am grateful that all of you took the time out to make me feel better. I'm currently sat in a & e with a temperature of 40.2 Confused I think I just psyched.myself out over the whole thing.

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maddening · 13/03/2019 07:13

Applauds ce7913 op listen to that - be strong!

vampirethriller · 13/03/2019 07:54

I hope you're feeling better soon, what a vile man. It's easy to say don't do this or that but people like him are so convincing and seem so lovely. They have to be- nobody would give them anything if they were their real self straight away!

Loopytiles · 13/03/2019 07:56

Small claims court.

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 13/03/2019 08:01

I don't think CAB will advise on an international debt. Have you got legal cover on anything?

A recorded letter before action is a good first step. You can find templates to edit online,

JeezOhGeeWhizz · 13/03/2019 09:25

Try to get your money back through CAB, or whoever they can recommend to help you.
Sorry. That's awful what he did.

Wedgiecar58 · 13/03/2019 12:40

Prick, he turned on your when you wanted your money back.

Get revenge on him if you want to. Do you have any nude pics of him? Blur out his face and send to his office. No one will actually know for sure its him but imagine the fear he'd feel with everyone gawping "omg what's this we've received??" and the pics being passed around. And he'd know it was you and not to cross you again.

That's what I'd do.

makingmammaries · 13/03/2019 12:54

I was once taken in by a similar charmer, though the sum I lent him was fortunately less. Sorry this has happened to you, OP. I think your chances of getting the money back are quite high, though. Find an English-speaking lawyer in his country of residence and get them to apply to court. Legal costs in most of Europe are not as high as in the U.K., and here in France for example once you have a court ruling on a private debt you can get it enforced by bailiffs - all at his expense.

youknowmedontyou · 13/03/2019 12:55

Get revenge on him if you want to. Do you have any nude pics of him? Blur out his face and send to his office. No one will actually know for sure its him but imagine the fear he'd feel with everyone gawping "omg what's this we've received??" and the pics being passed around. And he'd know it was you and not to cross you again.

Don't do that! Revenge porn is illegal! ffs

There is a saying attack is the best form of defence, he's attacked you to defend himself from being asked for the money back.... track him down and ask for it! Get a solicitor involved.

timeisnotaline · 13/03/2019 12:59

Talk to cab and do try to get your money back. Don’t be embarassed and don’t let him off. That’s what he wants.

Alsohuman · 13/03/2019 13:00

Get your money back from this apology for a human being and move on. You’re worth so, so much more than this.

Wedgiecar58 · 13/03/2019 13:29

Don't do that! Revenge porn is illegal! ffs

I did say to blur out his face so he couldn't be identified.

However, I do agree it would be best to go down the legal route to recoup your financial losses. If that doesn't work, then I'd seek to shame him - like he shamed you with his smelly comments.

youknowmedontyou · 13/03/2019 13:35

I did say to blur out his face so he couldn't be identified.*

So what!! If you had an ex sending porn to your place of work but he blurred the face out you'd just shrug your shoulders would you? Really? I'd me informing the police immediately and pressing charges!!

RearEnded00 · 13/03/2019 13:49

Some good posts about getting legal advice atlhtough you may never see the money again, he should at least get a solicitor's letter calling him out.
Forget about forgiving this cruel con man... forgive yourself.. it is not your fault that he turned out to be a complete pig. You know all the rubbish he said was untrue.
Please don't do anything that could lead to him being able to call the police on you..
The long term revenge is that this creep will never be happy, or be able to have a real relationship, in the way that a lovely kind person like you will.

Wedgiecar58 · 13/03/2019 14:54

I wouldn't be calling the police to report someone I owed £5,500 to, no!

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 13/03/2019 15:39

Ce7913 - your post is awesome. YOU are awesome. You have completely got the measure of these men.

This was said to me too, when I was 15, by a man who raped me. As if physically subjugating a young girl wasn't humiliation enough to satisfy this lowlife, he thought he'd also mock my anatomy, make me out to be somehow 'abnormal' and not like other women and yes, the smell thing. My fear after that event was that other people would find out and would laugh and humiliate me still further. I internalized that shame. The fear should have been theirs (there were two boys involved in this) in expectation of a knock on the door from police.

You're right: it's the abuser's go-to line. And mine is an extreme case, but it shows you what kind of men use these strategies. And the fact they use them tells us they come from a position of weakness and inadequacy, and that this is the only way they can make themselves feel strong and powerful (or vindicate their disgusting behaviour in some way, like ripping off a single mum). They are pathetic.

It's not us. It's nothing to do with us at all. It's them.

Terriblyhurt32 · 13/03/2019 16:01

I have no nude pictures although I have kept a record of our entire watsapp conversation from the start . Bit he is a complete asshole- I don't want to post anything that could come back to haunt me. I have the telephone number of a wealthy uncle of his and I will be giving him a call to tell him what his beloved nephew has done. I have also instructed an English speaking solicitor to send him an initial letter and to see what my chances are of recouping my money. He was always asking.for.exlensive.gifys.amd me being so nice would cut down on things I needed and send them Blush how stupid was I. But I know I am a decent person and I know I would never hurt anybody. He has.lpng spent that money but I have every chance of making that and more. I'm very hardworking and hopefully that will work in my favour. Thanks all and I will keep you updated x

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CabbageHippy · 13/03/2019 16:06

i'll bet after the first time he said it he was still intimate with you again

Terriblyhurt32 · 13/03/2019 16:09

You are right he was !! I can't have been that smelly if he wanted to sleep with me again. Wanker.

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Bellasorellaa · 13/03/2019 16:30

op firstly you dont smell down there and i know this because this "picking arguments" tatic was used on me when i borrowed both my best friends money.
I was bothering them of course, they never had it even though one brazenly told me he was going on holiday
the other would pick fights and act like a straight up asshole

learnt my lesson though it was an expensive one, 7k taking the both to court.
you can do things like third party debt orders to get the court to dig into their bank accounts and orders to attend questioning if they dont pay.

Dont feel worthless he is the pathetic worthless one who has to steal off a female and karma will get him you dont need revenge

Lucywithout · 13/03/2019 17:17

Remember the message Napoleon sent to Josephine. " I am coming home - dont wash!" The smell of female genitals is exciting to real men.

Magicroundabout321 · 13/03/2019 17:48

I agree with HarrysOwl's great post.

He seems to have taken advantage: it's his fault for being a manipulative bastard, not yours - you were being kind, and kindness is a wonderful thing.

Hamandcrispsandwich · 13/03/2019 17:55

OP, this has happened to me twice.

First time was a 3 figure sum. I told them just to give £50 a month if they couldn't afford it all in one go. This was after something essential in their home broke and needed replacing. I didn't receive a penny of it.

The second time was a smaller amount of money. It was very similar to your situation, but when I asked for the money back, all I got was abuse back
"I never wanted you. I'm moving in with my girlfriend. You're so stupid to ever think i'd want you as my girlfriend -who would? You're thick, nobody likes you, your mental" etc.. You get the message.

Both moved away, no clue where they are. It will be the last time I help anyone with money though!