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AIBU?

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To be appalled at this vegan group

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HoraceCope · 09/03/2019 08:56

they have since banned me; i am not a vegan, so i can't link them however their reaction to this post was out of order!
comments such as "poetic justice" and "karma"
www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/barrister-dominic-webber-hunting-enthusiast-dies-fall-680910

sometimes quite often I hate social media

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Poloshot · 09/03/2019 12:20

What do you expect from vegans

cariadlet · 09/03/2019 12:21

*If someone is killed whilst partaking in an activity that is/you consider to be immoral I think it's normal to feel less than you would if someone is killed through no fault of their own.

If a drink driver kills themselves and occupants of another car, you will feel more sympathy for the people in the other car.

If someone was bitten by a dog whilst minding their own business I would feel really badly for them. If someone was bitten by a dog whilst partaking in a dog fight I would think, well.....it is really terrible, but you did probably deserve to have your face bitten off!

That man who got eaten by his lion recently. It is sad, but he shouldn't have had a lion in his back garden. I feel less for him than I would have done if the lion had escaped and eaten someone from the village.

I think that's fairly normal.*

That's just how I felt reading the article.

I wouldn't say anything hurtful to a member of his family, because I've got enough decency not to wish to upset somebody who is grieving. But I'm not going to pretend to feel genuine compassion for a total stranger who died while engaged in an activity I'm opposed to (hunting animals is illegal, but the League of Cruel Sports have evidence of many hunts continuing to do it and the Countryside Alliance have said that this man advocated for bloodsports).

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 09/03/2019 12:22

A bit of humanity perhaps? I hate hunting, I was a very eager supporter if the AVL when I was a student but I am still a human being.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 09/03/2019 12:25

It didn’t say he was hunting though did it?

My sister rides (would never hunt or shoot) and is a veggie - so if god forbid - she took a tumble doing a cross country I could expect crowing from some corners about how she deserved it for torturing and imprisoning poor slave horses? Because she has been told how evil it is to ride horses (by idiot townies).

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/03/2019 12:30

Given the likely impact of these remarks on the dead man's family, doesn't the real irony lie in the fact that the gloaters are those who claim to care about cruelty in the first place?

cariadlet · 09/03/2019 12:31

It didn’t say he was hunting though did it?

Yes it did.

former chairman of the East Sussex branch of the Countryside Alliance, suffered fatal injuries during a fall while hunting last week

DarlingNikita · 09/03/2019 12:35

Nope. Their error is being cunts.

If the fact that someone does not share your beliefs makes you gloat at their death you are a shit show of a human being.

Totally this. I hate fox hunting but I don't know what kind of human being would take positive pleasure in someone's death.

And I agree it's not just vegans who have been observed saying things like this.

YourEggnogIsBetterThanMine · 09/03/2019 12:41

I can't get upset about it. I wouldn't wish harm or death on hunters but I also don't feel particularly bad.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 09/03/2019 12:42

What was he hunting though? It’s illegal (not so in NI).

Springwalk · 09/03/2019 12:55

I feel all human beings and animals are precious.

whifflesqueak · 09/03/2019 13:09

Hunting with hounds is illegal.

There are ways around it though and many just flout the law.

I’m ambivalent towards hunting. I do feel that any human death is a tragedy in its own small way. All his loved ones, dependants, etc...

Brilliantidiot · 09/03/2019 13:09

Hunting is illegal in the UK. There are probably a minority that continue regardless of the law.
But many anti hunt groups refuse to accept that other hunts are within the law, following pre laid tracks and treat everyone with the same disdain. In fact some even go as far to say that anyone who owns/keeps/rides horses are the same too.
The comments are a symptom of that. It's not very nice to gloat over anyone's death. For me it says more about the people making the comments.

thedisorganisedmum · 09/03/2019 15:57

Hunting is illegal in the UK.

no it's not!

www.gov.uk/hunting

rosydreams · 09/03/2019 16:12

thats my uncle what the hell my aunt would be so upset .He was a lovely person,why do people make such comments when they didn't even know him.I really hope she does not hear some of the rubbish coming from people

Brilliantidiot · 09/03/2019 16:20

Hunting is illegal in the UK.

no it's not!

www.gov.uk/hunting

Hunting I guess is the broader term, for the purposes of this article the man concerned was either illegally hunting foxes with a pack of hounds, or doing one of the alternatives since that was banned. He was on a horse and it's in equestrian magazine Horse and Hound, so I'd say that's what was happening.
People in the horse world refer to hunting a fox from horse back with a pack of hounds, or the legal alternatives since the ban as 'hunting'.

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HoraceCope · 09/03/2019 18:32

@Rosy i have reported any derogatory comments i see, j- which led to me being banned from the vegan group.

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rosydreams · 10/03/2019 09:27

thank you but the internet is so full trolls i would not be surprised if there more groups like this.I just hope she does not get wind of it,this has been a terrible loss for the family

S1naidSucks · 10/03/2019 14:25

rosydreams, I’m sorry for your aunt’s lose, but you might want to report this thread, as there is a hell of a bigger chance of her knowing about that site, now that OP has advertised it on here.

whifflesqueak · 10/03/2019 17:00

The op linked to Horse and Hound which is probably the biggest equestrian publication in the uk. I think there’s a very good chance her aunt is already aware.

I’m sorry for your loss Rosy

LetheBiscuit · 11/03/2019 15:44

If you don’t have the faculties to understand why humans are superior... Oh please, that is your opinion, not a matter of how smart you are (in fact it is usually the thickest people, in my experience, who have no empathy for animals)

Humans are more intelligent than other animals and have a more sophisticated society. That doesn't make us objectively superior. We've also done a hell of a lot more damage to the earth than other animals and are able to conceive of much more horrible ways to torture each other than our amoral animal counterparts.

Anti-hunt activists, whether vegans or not (and many aren't) shouldn't be so vile to hunters, but not because humans are some sort of amazing mini gods, but because wishing death on anyone is a horrible thing to do.

BabyDarlingDollfaceHoney · 11/03/2019 17:25

If you don’t have the faculties to understand why humans are superior

Totally agree with LetheBiscuit. Humans aren't as superior as many people think. Many species have emotional and intellectual lives we can barely understand. Orcas have a whole part of the brain to do with experiencing emotion that humans don't have. Their sense of self encompasses the whole of their pod and they feel their families as an extension of themselves... Are we superior to these animals? In what way? (and yes I know he wasn't hunting Orcas it's just an example). The dog on Crufts the other night for example who was stabbed in the chest defending his policeman owner from attack sustaining life threatening injuries in the process.... Animals show loyalty, intelligence and kindness that many humans don't (and I'd include the man that is the subject of this thread I'm afraid). Humans are seriously flawed, it's shallow and frankly stupid to keep insisting how superior we are and all it does is demonstratr the opposite in my opinion.

FunkyKingston · 11/03/2019 17:32

I don't gloat over his death, but I don't grieve it either. He was not an innocent bystander, he was undertaking an activity i and many others find morally repugnant ans comes fraught with risk. I would feel much the same if a drunk driver ploughed their car into a wall at speed.

10IAR · 11/03/2019 17:38

I think anyone gloating over death is a bit grim tbh.

Especially since it doesn't affect the person who has died, but would deeply distress their family if they got wind of it.

So that's it really isn't it? Gloating at grieving people is never decent or right is it?

Flowerplower · 11/03/2019 18:10

Totally agree that gloating over someone's death is not a good thing to do. On the other hand not just gloating over but actively causing another living being to suffer terribly simply for your own amusement is not a particularly nice thing to do either. I would certainly say the latter is far worse than the former.

It doesn't matter how intelligent or not animals are. It only matters that they can suffer. Anyone who thinks it's fun to cause and enjoy watching them suffering is or was not a good person.

It's not a matter of difference of opinion. Hunting is not an opinion, it's an action, one that causes suffering and a painful death to a living being.

Flowerplower · 11/03/2019 18:12

And I totally agree with BabyDarlingDollfaceHoney and LetheBiscuit.

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