To be appalled at this vegan group

[HoraceCope]

they have since banned me; i am not a vegan, so i can't link them however their reaction to this post was out of order!
comments such as "poetic justice" and "karma"
www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/barrister-dominic-webber-hunting-enthusiast-dies-fall-680910

sometimes quite often I hate social media

I don’t like the attitude of SOME meat eaters, or SOME teachers or SOME (whatever you like). Big deal.

If someone is killed whilst partaking in an activity that is/you consider to be immoral I think it's normal to feel less than you would if someone is killed through no fault of their own.

If a drink driver kills themselves and occupants of another car, you will feel more sympathy for the people in the other car.

If someone was bitten by a dog whilst minding their own business I would feel really badly for them. If someone was bitten by a dog whilst partaking in a dog fight I would think, well.....it is really terrible, but you did probably deserve to have your face bitten off!

That man who got eaten by his lion recently. It is sad, but he shouldn't have had a lion in his back garden. I feel less for him than I would have done if the lion had escaped and eaten someone from the village.

I think that's fairly normal.

I also felt pretty sorry for the Lions in that one as well.

I wouldn't harass anyone or post anything on social media though.

Also find it frustrating to see his death described as "tragic". The circumstances of his death were in no way tragic.

Do those of you whining about this never think so much as think 'good riddance' when someone you disapprove of for other reasons gets killed? Whether that's people whos lifestyle you don't care for (their religion or sexuality or whatever) , [politicians you disagree with, criminals who die in the process of committing a crime... where do you draw the line?

I agree with ContessaIsOnADietDammit and Nuffsaidsam. I don't think people should gloat at all, but certainly not publicly, it's deeply unpleasant. That said you can't expect people to be very affected if they didn't know him and what little they did know they didn't like.

I wouldn't gloat because it wouldn't be right given he had loved ones who will be grieving and who are not at fault in any way. However my heart doesn't exactly bleed for him and I just think it will mean less suffering and pain for innocent creatures now that he's gone. I do think anyone who gets pleasure from watching another being's pain and suffering is a sick fucker, to be quite honest. I don't get pleasure from the fact that this man died but I'm not particularly sorry about it, either.

HoraceCope why are you lurking in vegan groups in the first place? To report on them to Mumsnet when they say something you don't like?

BeefTomato I think you got it one! OP, just wants to be able to pint the finger at vegans for some offence or other. This was probably the best she/he could find.

*point. It’s a bit early for a pint. 😁

I was a member of the vegan group because I like cooking vegan food

Then you return the favour by coming into Mumsnet and slating them?

I agree with flowerplower I feel sad for his relatives but can’t feel any sympathy for a man whose “sport” involved watching innocent animals being torn apart. I just cannot get my head round hunting with hounds, it’s not a sport it’s a massacre. Same with bullfighting.

I can't see any comments under the link you posted OP, but can imagine the sort of thing. As Hazell42 says it's not just vegans - almost any news story on FB might have really hateful, nasty comments underneath. I've seen some vile things said this morning about the death of Shamima Begum's baby for example.

Social media gives people a space where they have the opportunity to behave in an abusive and unempathic way with no repercussions, and it seems to have revealed some unpleasant truths about human nature, that so many people eagerly take advantage of this opportunity to treat other humans badly.

Would vegans think it Ok for hunters to gloat if an anti-hunt protestor dies after falling off a fence ?

I rate people as being far more important than animals,
so I think it's vile to gloat over deaths of those with different views

I've never wished to hunt or fish, but I eat fish & meat, so I don't feel morally superior to those who do
I enjoy some vegan meals and I don't like those who pick on vegans either

well said Yellowjumper - where are we going with this social media?

I'm a vegan and I think I would feel very upset that this man is a hunter, and that he treated other life forms with utter disrespect for enjoyment... BUT to me the whole point of being a vegan is that I believe every life is just as valuable as the next, regardless of species... and therefore I would feel sad at his passing all the same. He was just misguided in life, perhaps - I don't believe normal, healthy human beings can enjoy killing other animals. I do think that vegans get a very bad rep for online posting, a few loud mouths stating very extreme views means people paint us all with a bad brush. Lots of people do things in life I don't agree with, but doesn't make them any lesser than me, and certainly doesn't mean it would be good if they died!!

I have to admit that when a bullfighter is injured and killed during a corrida, my reaction is "good job Karma".🤷
Isn't this the same though @thedisorganisedmum.
If I've read it correctly and I did only skim so apologies if not. He died from a fall while hunting. So he died doing something he loves which was killing animals for sport.

I feel for his family as would anyone's family losing a loved one. But I can't say I think it's tragic. He surely knew the risks involved with riding and in particular hunting. I do hope the horse was ok though, does it say?

I'm in Ireland and we recently had a horrific case where the owner of a puppy farm was sentenced to jail time and his wife got a suspended sentence for cruelty to animals. Within days of the man being taken to jail their 16 year old son was killed in a car accident. The online comments went crazy saying karma, they deserved that etc. People can forget their humanity when behind a keyboard.

I feel something resembling gloating when I see some of the photos of bullfighters getting what they fucking deserve. But I remember that the bull is always killed in retribution, so my sympathies are always with the poor bloody animals that have to suffer because a human needs to feel that their bollocks are bigger than everybody else's.

I wouldn't post a comment about it in a place where the family might see it, though. I just think it.

I don't give a fuck about people who hunt for pleasure either. My sympathy is with the animals, as they didn't ask for a tosser with a gun/cross bow/local guides with nets/a herd of mates with horses and dogs to come after them.

I still wouldn't deliberately post my opinion where the deceased's family might see it. I stick with not actually giving a shit about the deceased themselves.

I also do not care that a terrorist manages to blow himself up with his own bomb or a drunk driver slams into a brick wall at 60mph. As long as nobody else gets hurt, oh well, never mind. I feel sorry for the poor bastards who have the job of cleaning up the mess afterwards or having to notify the family.

I can understand why some vegans would feel this way. They put animals on a par with humans, so the death of one human who is responsible for many animals deaths for pleasure, isn't going to be a source of sorrow and the RIP XXX, I'm soooo sad for somebody I don't know type posts. Especially when many will have been bombarded with images of slaughter, 'Mmmm, Bacon' posts, 'But WHAT ABOUT THE PLANTS' and 'YOUR A MURDERER CUZ THE FARMER KILLS BUG'S AND RABBIT'S TO PROTECT THE CROP'S' type of posts. [typos deliberate]

But no, I'm not appalled. I wouldn't do it - but then again, I wouldn't particularly care either - and I can see why they might feel this way.

Sarcastic,I thought hunting was illegal.

Anyway sorry can’t feel sorry for him.

One less fox hunter.

Live by the sword, die by the sword I’d have thought 🤷‍♀️

Hunting is very very dangerous, he knew this and still did it.
I have no sympathy for someone deliberately putting themselves in harms way.
The worst are the hunters who take children, and put them at risk as well. Disgusting.
Vegan or not, this was a calculated risk taken by an intelligent person, and he died. His choice.

I'm not a vegan, however I can only feel glad at the thought of one less man who gets his kicks from killing things. No great loss at all.

Was he in NI? Because fox hunting is banned in the uk.