To think Stacey Dooley was right in her response to David Lammy

[CoolCarrie]

“ Africa doesn’t need white saviours” says Lammy commenting on pictures of Stacey Dooley on a comic relief trip. Why pick on her? Loads of celebrities over the years have gone to Africa to show how money is helping the poorest of the poor, and the huge difference it has made over the years.
What Africa does need is governments that are not corrupt and better leaders.

I like Lammy. One of the few to consistently speak up for the Windrush and Grenfell victims. Even when they've fallen out of the news cycle.

THIS!

So Lammy is praised for talking about Windrush and Grenfell.
Let's see what he has to say about another white girl Murdered by a black man who stabbed her to death in the back on Friday.
Perhaps he will be to busy with loftier concerns like slagging of a white woman trying to help black children.

Vicky do you think you're maybe a teeny bit racist?

No, that is the whole point.
Lammy is.

So because you think he's racist that means you can't be racist?

Not sure it works like that.

And your posts, well they look like the kind of posts someone like Tommy Robinson would very much approve of.

Have we found out yet why the racist Lamby didn't go to Africa when he was invited to go.
Yes. His reasons have been repeatedly posted on this thread. Do you have a memory problem hun?

Supine.....why do you think Vicky is racist? Curious.

do you know he didn’t push for those changes when he met up with Comic Relief? Not being goady, genuinely interested in the answer. Thank you.
@birdsandroses sorry I missed your question earlier. I was quoting and supporting Adil Ray's comment. I assumed he was friends with the Comic Relief team and knew that those conversations hadn't taken place.
I may have been wrong in that assumption but it seemed quite an odd statement to make if he wasn't sure iyswim.

One point, and a question:

1. Uganda is a poor country where charity can make a big difference. That's the reason CR help there and don't, say, send Stacey Dooley off to Germany to help raise revenue to solve their problems. Germany has problems, for sure, but Uganda is a higher priority.

2. If CR choose to make a campaign with an additional goal - to also promote all the good things about Uganda, and demonstrate that the country as a whole don't need our pity, etc - they will undoubtedly raise substantially less. If that ultimately means you can help, say, 2,000 fewer people in need, is that the moral choice to make? What do you choose: helping more people; or helping fewer whilst also making sure David Lammy can't choose to associate the campaign with something unpleasant?

It's not that CR should be making a show promoting Uganda, it's that the "story" should be told by the people working on the projects, not Stacey Dooley or Ed Sheerin or David Lammy.

“ David Lammy can't choose to associate the campaign with something unpleasant?”

Lammy didn’t associate the campaign with something unpleasant- Dooley did!

Dooley just cuddled a baby though, when it comes down to it. Kids are cute and people are inclined to pick them up and cuddle them if the kid is willing to put up with it. Yes, she stuck it on Instagram, but today's generation can't take their next breath without putting it on SM. It's just how some people are now. Her skin colour has meant that doing this has been loaded by DL with all sorts of associations that she didn't intend. I think a pp made a good point that she would likely have done the same thing wherever she was. So I still think that targeting her was rude and unnecessary and potentially harmful to people who need help.

OK. Apart from anything else, how would you feel if a person you don’t know picked up your child, had a picture taken and put it on their Instagram feed to be seen by their thousands of followers? Mumsnetters get pissed of if members of their family do this!

And, as I keep saying, Dooley is an investigative journalist. She should know this stuff!

Well, if she did it without my permission then I wouldn't like it. But I wouldn't consider it such a big deal that it warranted days of criticism on the internet. Do we know that she didn't ask the parents?
I'm not saying she was right to do it, only that she hasn't deserved the kicking she's received.

Even bright people can be a bit stupid when it comes to social media. They behave as if what they post is being viewed by their mates (which is what a lot of people think their followers are) and not potentially the whole world.
At most she's guilty of being thoughtless imo.

Oh come on, Stacey Dooley isn't some social media innocent - she is famous and will use social media to craft her public profile. To pretend she got caught out as she thought only her mates could see her feed is a ridiculous stretch even she didn't attempt in her own defence.

That's not what I said. Obviously she knows people can see it. It's just that a lot of people treat their SM accounts like a personal diary - they sometimes just don't think about just how public it is.
When I post on MN, I feel like it's a community of sorts, not exactly friends but people I 'know'. While I do know that anyone in the world could read what I post, mostly I just don't think about it.
I think a lot of people who use SM are like that - it's so familiar they kind of forget how far reaching it can be.

She’s a 32 year old investigative journalist with a successful media career. She knows how this stuff works.

How can a black person be racist

Racism is a system of oppression. To oppress you need to own key things that make society tick. Black people don't own anything...

Anyway, as for Dooley, photo op not needed but she did something helpful, and is bring things to people attention. Having said that, given the 'Africa' (let's forget that it's a continent since some idiots think its a country) is poor rhetoric has been so well played out, I don't really think you need to be raising awareness that people there are hungry etc. To be honest there's no real way around it.

Lammy has been very vocal about the failure of politicians in the country regarding brexit and saying how they got it wrong. Bit of honesty too late I guess, but clearly showing both sides of the coin.

Black peoples can of course be prejudiced and xenophobic and lots of other bad things. They just can’t be racist in majority white countries
Prejudulice + Power= Racism

I disagree with that Elloduckie. Racism is the inherent belief that some people are better or worse than others, based solely on their ethnicity. It's a predisposition to disliking/judging negatively based on skin colour. Arguably DL has done that. I don't think it is always power based or that black people are incapable of it.

This is an award swimming example of how to raise funds for a deserving cause without stripping the subject of agency and dignity

“Racism is the inherent belief that some people are better or worse than others, based solely on their ethnicity. It's a predisposition to disliking/judging negatively based on skin colour.”

No- that’s prejudice. Racism has a specific meaning.