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Practical stranger (male) trying to kiss my toddler on the lips

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Phethsehu · 25/02/2019 18:22

My sister in law has started going out with a new guy. My 3 year old daughter has only met him about 3 times and I've always found him to be a bit intense with her. He doesn't have children but is very hands on with my sister in laws child. When saying goodbye to my daughter when we last saw them he tried to kiss her on the lips. She reacted uncomfortably and turned her head so he kissed her on the cheek. But then he tried again. Again she turned her head and tried to get away. I was so shocked that I didn't fully process this and did not say something at the time, which I now hugely regret. Am I being unreasonable to this is seriously inappropriate behaviour?? Would anyone have any advice on what I could do now so he does not do that again. I feel like texting my sister in law now may lead to too much tension or an argument.

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theWarOnPeace · 26/02/2019 11:43

Me and my husband kiss our own children on the lips, but nobody else does and I wouldn’t do it to another child. I would be telling both of them that it’s highly inappropriate, and would never in a million years leave my child alone with them. It makes me shudder just thinking about it.

Santaclarita · 26/02/2019 11:47

That's creepy as fuck. Forcing a kiss on a child? Ew.. Confused

Keep an eye on him. And maybe Google his name.

WhentheRabbitsWentWild · 26/02/2019 11:50

Hell No YANBU

How bloody WEIRD.

rebecca102 · 26/02/2019 11:54

This is just sooo weird. My family don't even kiss my daughter on the lips.

Vampyress · 26/02/2019 11:55

If you are uncomfortable and your daughter is uncomfortable then I would speak to SIL and state you don't want anyone kissing your child on the lips. I am an affectionate person but my 21 month old son is not particularly fond of kisses and doesn't kiss me or our pets. I kiss his cheek and neck whilst tickling him and when he isnt wriggling away but have rarely kissed his mouth, and when I do its normally when I squidge his cheeks to a trout face and he laughs like a demon. Even with my close friends child I only one kissed their foot as a newborn and that was mostly because my son was only 3 months old and it was a habit. After reading about a mum who lost a baby due to a rare strep virus from a family member kissing their babies mouth, I am wary of anyone going too near my childrens mouth, kissing their head or cheek when you are family however is a completely different story.

rebecca102 · 26/02/2019 11:58

@SecretProfile
I agree

Nomorepies · 26/02/2019 12:17

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Eliza9917 · 26/02/2019 13:57

Post this article on your facebook

www.mother.ly/child/heres-why-i-will-never-force-my-kids-to-hug-anyone?xrs=RebelMouse_fb&ts=1528811109&fbclid=IwAR1O2m_JbLTICx2xDkft4AMsM4qxMRa4FTuTwgcQHHFemB0MCeX3wzTN7Ag

Here’s why I will never force my kids to hug anyone
Diana Spalding

It's a familiar scene—one that I've been in a thousand times, as a child and now as a parent.

We're finishing a lovely dinner and evening with family or friends. Our cheeks are all a bit flushed from wine and laughter, our bellies are full, our hearts are happy. And then someone leans over to one of my children and says, “Give me a big hug goodbye before I go!"
He takes a few unsteady steps backwards and says, shyly but surely, “I don't want to."

And then all eyes are on me. The relative longing for an affectionate moment with this little person they love so much, looking to me to say, “Go ahead, honey. Give her a hug!" And my little person, with tentative eyes looking up at me for guidance and protection.
Without fail, I take sides—the same one each time. “It's okay baby, you don't have to give her a hug."

It gets a little awkward. And that's completely okay.

This simple act which could be viewed as a rude annoyance to the affection-seeking relative, is actually a major stand in my parenting—one that I am proud of and one that I encourage every parent to consider.

My responsibility is to my children, first and beyond everything else. It is my job to help them stand up for themselves, and to stand up for them when they can't.

They trust me more than anyone in the world. I am not going to defy that trust by insisting that they do something that makes them uncomfortable.

I actually feel immensely proud of them when they decline a hug. It takes a lot of guts to stand up for yourself—in general, and especially to slightly intoxicated Aunt Sally.

I want to show them through my actions that they are allowed and encouraged to speak their mind and protect themselves for things that make them nervous.

They are supposed to test limits with me.

They practice talking back to me. They practice lying and breaking rules with me. And when they practice saying no with me, I need to do everything in my power to applaud and encourage them.
“I'm the boss of my body."

I must say this 243 times a day. Usually it's because my 3-year-old is insisting that he sit on my 2-year-old's head, or because my daughter is insisting that she demonstrate on my face that jelly really makes a really pretty eyeshadow.

"But mooooo-oooom, it's strawberry!"
"Who's the boss of my body, honey?"
"Ugh you are." Huff, sigh, storm off.

But the reason behind this statement's omnipresence in my house is so that it becomes a deep inner-knowing that no one tells them what they have to do with their body—ever.

We hear over and over again how important consistency is for children—it applies here too. It's way too confusing to teach them, 'You can't hug your friends at school if they don't want to be hugged, but you do have to hug Aunt Sally when she tells you to.'

Because no means no. Period.

It means no when I say, "No you can't touch the stove." It means no when your sister says, "No you can't keep tickling me." It means no when your first girlfriend says, "No, actually, I'm not ready yet." And it means no when you tell your relative that you don't want a hug.
This is the message. There is no room for grey area here.
It makes me nauseous to consider, but the truth is this:

Statistics are such that it it likely that one of my children will find themselves somehow in an uncomfortable situation involving their bodies. I won't be with them when it happens.

But I'm with them now, and I am going to make it count. And maybe, somewhere in the depths of their subconscious they'll hear my voice, find the strength to say, "I'm the boss of my body," and have the ability to walk away.

theothermum · 26/02/2019 15:38

In my opinion nobody should kiss kids on the lips, not even parents!

He's way out of line. I'd keep your daughter away from him. And any small kids for that matter (even though yes, I know, massive overreaction)

SofaSurfer20 · 26/02/2019 21:25

Keep him away

FoldyRoll · 26/02/2019 21:38

It's important for kids to learn bodily autonomy early on so can be confident establishing and respecting boundaries in relationships in later life. Your DD sounds like she has this down pat. This dude, whether he's trying to hug or kiss a child who doesn't want to be hugged or kissed, no matter how close the relationship, is merrily ignoring all your DD's boundaries. Even if his intentions are totally innocent, I'd not want anyone round my kids who prioritises their desire to kiss above the child's desire not to.

Grumpelstilskin · 26/02/2019 21:45

Woah! Totally inappropriate! I would trust some dude who did that as much as I can throw a piano.

Phethsehu · 27/02/2019 10:15

Thanks, I will do what one of you recommended and pick her up when saying goodbye to control the situation a bit more. And obviously say something straight away if he tries anything like that again. It was my sister in law that was holding her when it happened. I'm hoping she found it inappropriate too and will have said something. I feel like messaging or saying about it now would cause an argument I would rather avoid.

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Drogosnextwife · 27/02/2019 10:21

I'm guessing this is your dps sister. What did your dp say. Perhaps he could say something to his sister if you feel a bit awkward about it.

That's very strange and inappropriate.

NWQM · 27/02/2019 10:25

Please try and speak to your SIL or ask your DH. Why would you risk put your daughter through that again? Surely can you not say ‘x seems great. Lovely to see you so happy. Y didn’t like the attempts to kiss on the lips though so can I leave it with you to make sure it doesn’t happen again’. I get it’s embrassing but you substitute stealing something or swearing or anything really for bodily contact would you have a word?

GingerSwan · 27/02/2019 10:53

Im pro lip kissing and we all do it in my family/friend group with our kids, for example my young DS will kiss his godfather (unrelated) on the lips

However I’d be livid if anyone attempted after the child had said no. It’s very concerning to want to force a kiss onto a child especially on the lips Confused

MRex · 27/02/2019 20:40

@GingerSwan - calling yourself "pro lip kissing" seems so strange to me. What benefit do you think it gives a child that a cuddle and kiss on the cheek doesn't? Do you have no concerns about the lack of physical boundaries for your children opening up risks for them?

MRex · 27/02/2019 20:41

@Phethsehu - please don't let fear of an argument prevent you from protecting your child. At least ensure she understands you plan to physically protect her and that saying no is always ok.

Barrenfieldoffucks · 27/02/2019 20:55

I'm assuming she just means pro in the same way that I mean I am a lip kisser. That we do it and why not?

LovingLola · 27/02/2019 20:59

What age are the other children he kisses ??

LovingLola · 27/02/2019 21:01

I just re-read your post where you say your SIL has just started going out with him and he is very hands on with her child. Has she taken leave of her senses ???

Jojoanna · 27/02/2019 21:06

Nope no kissing on the lips , I wouldn’t kiss on the lips why should my child

limpbizkit · 27/02/2019 21:13

I Kiss my children on the lips. we're a cuddly kissy affectionate family. I Still Liss My mum and dad on the lips and I'm a grown woman. I don't care what anybody thinks there's nothing remotely 'weird' in it for me personally. however..... for an unrelated stranger to do this to a small child? No Way. I'd be horrified. particularly as she cowered away and he tried again insistently. it's very eery behaviour. a grown man would surely be conscious of how he might be perceived. his boundary pushing speaks volumes. keep a very watchful eye next time and one more alarm bell you need to say something direct and assert yourself and keep your child the hell away.

TheInvestigator · 27/02/2019 21:18

For the first time, I wouldn't jump to no contact. He doesn't have kids so, grasping at straws, maybe he just doesn't understand.

I would speak to them next time I see them both and say that "we let her decide what she is comfortable with and we will not pressure her into anything physical when she shows she is uncomfortable, and that includes kisses and hugs. You tried twice to kiss her on the lips and, let's be honest, you aren't her family and I don't know you so it's not OK".

If he ever tries anything again, then it's no contact.

Dreamzcancometrue · 27/02/2019 21:30

I dont kiss my little niece on the lips even when she pouts her lips ready to leave and aims her mouth for mine. I just give her my cheek, its gross to me to be lip kissing a child no matter the relation.