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To not want to be present for contact?

40 replies

HelenLaBloodyAnnoyed · 23/02/2019 00:10

I met my ex ten years ago; he had two three year olds and I had a two year old. At first he had his DC loads but over the years contact would stop and start, with him doing little to reinstate it if it stopped. He said he felt he was doing his DC a favour by not causing more stress in their lives by taking things to court and that he felt happier without the stress too.

We have three DC together - aged 13 months, 3 and just turned 5 years old. I left him when I was pregnant and he didn't try to stop me. I strongly suspect he was cheating, he was financially and sexually abusive and did nothing in terms of parenting or around the home.

When I left I clearly told him my reasons for leaving, a main one being his lack of responsibility over the DC. He would have days off during the week and I'd still have to do all the packed lunches, nursery runs and get them ready before work while he did nothing. He never bathed, disciplined, put them to bed, looked after them when ill or anything.

After I left he went out getting drunk a lot. He missed the birth of the baby, apparently having fallen asleep, leaving me alone. He's missed birthdays and Christmas. When the baby was newborn, I'd invite him over or we'd have days out but he'd turn up smelling of alcohol, disappear early, be distracted by his phone or just generally uninterested in the DC. After 6 months of this, I said he still wasn't taking responsibility for them as I was still there to parent 24/7 while he just dropped in and out to play now and then. He claimed to be sofa surfing and not in a position to have any of them alone and then proceeded not to see them for months.

A few weeks ago we bumped into him in the supermarket. He messaged me a couple of days later to say he'd missed the DC and would we like to go out at the weekend? By that point one DC was very poorly and another looked to have the same bug coming. I replied telling him this and he said he was staying away then...! We all had a flu type virus over four weeks and I was absolutely on my knees doing everything for everyone, fuming at him for forgetting his responsibilities again. Then yesterday he messaged saying he trusted we're all better now so can he come over at the weekend?

AIBU to want to tell him to fuck off? The DC had pretty much forgotten about him until we bumped into him, and haven't really mentioned him since, I don't want him dropping in and out of their lives forevermore. I haven't been away from the DC since the eldest was born; I would more than welcome a break while he steps up and does some parenting. But he claims to still be sofa surfing and so only wants to see them at my home or with me there.

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To not want to be present for contact?

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I met my ex ten years ago; he had two three year olds and I had a two year old. At first he had his DC loads but over the years contact would stop and start, with him doing little to reinstate it if it stopped. He said he felt he was doing his DC a favour by not causing more stress in their lives by taking things to court and that he felt happier without the stress too.

We have three DC together - aged 13 months, 3 and just turned 5 years old. I left him when I was pregnant and he didn't try to stop me. I strongly suspect he was cheating, he was financially and sexually abusive and did nothing in terms of parenting or around the home.

When I left I clearly told him my reasons for leaving, a main one being his lack of responsibility over the DC. He would have days off during the week and I'd still have to do all the packed lunches, nursery runs and get them ready before work while he did nothing. He never bathed, disciplined, put them to bed, looked after them when ill or anything.

After I left he went out getting drunk a lot. He missed the birth of the baby, apparently having fallen asleep, leaving me alone. He's missed birthdays and Christmas. When the baby was newborn, I'd invite him over or we'd have days out but he'd turn up smelling of alcohol, disappear early, be distracted by his phone or just generally uninterested in the DC. After 6 months of this, I said he still wasn't taking responsibility for them as I was still there to parent 24/7 while he just dropped in and out to play now and then. He claimed to be sofa surfing and not in a position to have any of them alone and then proceeded not to see them for months.

A few weeks ago we bumped into him in the supermarket. He messaged me a couple of days later to say he'd missed the DC and would we like to go out at the weekend? By that point one DC was very poorly and another looked to have the same bug coming. I replied telling him this and he said he was staying away then...! We all had a flu type virus over four weeks and I was absolutely on my knees doing everything for everyone, fuming at him for forgetting his responsibilities again. Then yesterday he messaged saying he trusted we're all better now so can he come over at the weekend?

AIBU to want to tell him to fuck off? The DC had pretty much forgotten about him until we bumped into him, and haven't really mentioned him since, I don't want him dropping in and out of their lives forevermore. I haven't been away from the DC since the eldest was born; I would more than welcome a break while he steps up and does some parenting. But he claims to still be sofa surfing and so only wants to see them at my home or with me there.

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HelenLaBloodyAnnoyed · 23/02/2019 08:13

Anyone?

I appreciate it's long Blush but could really do with an outsiders perspective.

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askingalways · 23/02/2019 08:17

I think you're 100% right to stick to your guns.
You shouldn't have to babysit your ex on top of looking after the kids.
If he wants to take up the fatherly role he needs to be with it enough to make appropriate plans and meet the needs of the kids.
You should not have to go host.

OrdinaryGirl · 23/02/2019 08:17

This sounds like a nightmare and I'm so sorry you have been through that and are still having to deal with your toxic abusive ex.

You sound pretty clued up about the various issues - what do you feel the best option is for you at the moment? One that would be sustainable in terms of your wellbeing I mean.

Arowana · 23/02/2019 08:21

Personally I'd say yes to him coming over but no to me being there. OP, go out and have a coffee, read a book, do a bit of shopping, relax for a change.

IJustLostTheGame · 23/02/2019 08:21

Personally I'd kick him out to the park with them for a couple of hours.
You certainly shouldn't have to play host.
If he wants regular contact (I'm playing the optimist here) get it officially done in court.

CripsSandwiches · 23/02/2019 08:24

YANBU. I would pretty much make it clear to him what you've said here. He can't wander in and out of their lives and do all the fun stuff. He needs to take proper responsibility for his kids or fuck off.

Does he pay any maintenance?

troubleswillbeoutofsight · 23/02/2019 08:24

I’d advise against having him stroll into your home to be with the children. If he’s as dead beat as you describe it won’t be the children he’ll be wanting to hang around. Could you suggest ( very nicely ) that the children could do with some fresh air after being unwell for so long and it would give you a chance to catch up with things in the house if he’d take them out for a couple of hours. My bet is he’ll find a reason not to. Then you’ll know for sure that your instincts are right

HelenLaBloodyAnnoyed · 23/02/2019 08:25

Honestly I don't feel they're safe with him as he gets so flustered so as much as I'd like a break, I don't want one at the expense of the children's safety. I feel like his interest every now and then coincides with when he's not seeing anyone/when his parents or friends ask where the DC are and I don't want them to keep getting picked up and dropped. To not have anywhere to take them after two years of being separated just shows me that nothing has changed, as does him just repeating the same request (me going out with them) every few months.

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HelenLaBloodyAnnoyed · 23/02/2019 08:27

I don't see why I should Arowana. He earns twice as much as me, he has plenty of money to pay for his own place to see them.

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Nanny0gg · 23/02/2019 08:30

Is he at least paying maintenance?

Chocolatecake12 · 23/02/2019 08:30

It’s difficult as I agree with pp, let him come over then grab your coat and go out for a coffee or a walk or to see a friend for a couple of hours BUT if he arrives and he’s been drinking then no way should you leave him with the kids.

NoodleKT · 23/02/2019 08:36

I agree with you OP, but I'm in a similar situation at the moment with my ex being completely uninterested in our DD and wanting to see her at my house which means I actually do the parenting and never get a break.
I'm with you, if he has form for dropping out of their lives then it isn't worth upsetting them every time.

Janedoughnut · 23/02/2019 08:37

Could you meet at a play centre and you leave him to deal with the children while you grab a coffee at your own table.

Hellywelly10 · 23/02/2019 08:38

Dont have him in your house hell try to get his feet under the table again. Sounds like he wants to see you not the kids op.

thefirst48 · 23/02/2019 08:40

He doesn't get to come and go for months out of his children's life. Especially when you don't feel he could look after them properly. I wouldn't facilitate any kind of relationship with him for the children, tell him to take you to mediation or court.

HelenLaBloodyAnnoyed · 23/02/2019 08:40

He's paying less maintenance than he should.

Meeting somewhere wouldn't work jane as they'd still come to me and he'd still just get to play then disappear. I want him to be responsible and do school/nursery runs, look after them in sickness and health, come to parents evenings and so on.

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kbPOW · 23/02/2019 08:41

Hell no. I'd block him. But if you want to play with straight bat, tell him to seek a court order if he really wants to see them. He won't. But that way you could start with letterbox contact building up to a contact centre. It's never going to happen.

bobstersmum · 23/02/2019 08:49

He sounds an absolute waste of space op I feel for you because you're stuck with him in your life in some shape but I would honestly tell him to do one.

Chamomileteaplease · 23/02/2019 08:58

'Surely you couldn't possibly leave your young children with such a hopeless man? Even for a couple of hours. He is practically a stranger and as you said yourself, you wouldn't trust him to keep them safe.

And you being there would just be a stressful couple of hours for everyone I should think.

I would message him to say that it is all or nothing. Either he gets appropriate accommodation and you both start building up contact so that he can become a normal, responsible father. Or nothing.

But why you think he is going to change, I really don't know because he won't.

Expect nothing, claim more child maintenance and get on with your life. Best of luck.

SparklySneakers · 23/02/2019 09:08

Don't subject your kids to someone abusive. He's a waste of space. Get maintenance via child maintenance service and block him. If he wants contact he can go through a solicitor but I doubt he will.

HelenLaBloodyAnnoyed · 23/02/2019 09:12

Agreed he's practically a stranger but that's his choice as he opted out of their lives. If he had somewhere to have them regularly I'd happily help him build up a relationship, but dropping in for a few weeks every 6-8 months is just disruptive to the DC. The youngest has only ever seen a handful of times. I don't know how he can sleep at night.

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TestingTestingWonTooFree · 23/02/2019 09:24

He sleeps at night because he’s a selfish arsehole. He needs to demonstrate some commitment to the children. I’d suggest paying the maintenance he actually owes and maybe writing to them every week without fail. Unless he could do that reliably for a prolonged period, I wouldnt be allowing him to see the children. Does he have any trustworthy sensible relatives who could supervise/help with contact? Some people find it better to have a good relationship with a nice grandma/aunt and then it doesn’t matter so much that dad is a feckless arsehole who dips in and out.

Janedoughnut · 23/02/2019 09:26

Oh right I see. It sounds like you're all better off without him.

woolduvet · 23/02/2019 09:30

Does he have parents, where he could meet them, and they could explain how to parent.
I would imagine he's absolutely clueless about how to basically care for the children, at least he sees that and can't imagine having them on his own.

NoodleKT · 23/02/2019 09:42

@woolduvet if he's anything like mine that would just result in his parents looking after them and him playing but leaving all the actual parenting to his mum and/or dad.
It would give OP a break though :)