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To not want to be present for contact?

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HelenLaBloodyAnnoyed · 23/02/2019 00:10

I met my ex ten years ago; he had two three year olds and I had a two year old. At first he had his DC loads but over the years contact would stop and start, with him doing little to reinstate it if it stopped. He said he felt he was doing his DC a favour by not causing more stress in their lives by taking things to court and that he felt happier without the stress too.

We have three DC together - aged 13 months, 3 and just turned 5 years old. I left him when I was pregnant and he didn't try to stop me. I strongly suspect he was cheating, he was financially and sexually abusive and did nothing in terms of parenting or around the home.

When I left I clearly told him my reasons for leaving, a main one being his lack of responsibility over the DC. He would have days off during the week and I'd still have to do all the packed lunches, nursery runs and get them ready before work while he did nothing. He never bathed, disciplined, put them to bed, looked after them when ill or anything.

After I left he went out getting drunk a lot. He missed the birth of the baby, apparently having fallen asleep, leaving me alone. He's missed birthdays and Christmas. When the baby was newborn, I'd invite him over or we'd have days out but he'd turn up smelling of alcohol, disappear early, be distracted by his phone or just generally uninterested in the DC. After 6 months of this, I said he still wasn't taking responsibility for them as I was still there to parent 24/7 while he just dropped in and out to play now and then. He claimed to be sofa surfing and not in a position to have any of them alone and then proceeded not to see them for months.

A few weeks ago we bumped into him in the supermarket. He messaged me a couple of days later to say he'd missed the DC and would we like to go out at the weekend? By that point one DC was very poorly and another looked to have the same bug coming. I replied telling him this and he said he was staying away then...! We all had a flu type virus over four weeks and I was absolutely on my knees doing everything for everyone, fuming at him for forgetting his responsibilities again. Then yesterday he messaged saying he trusted we're all better now so can he come over at the weekend?

AIBU to want to tell him to fuck off? The DC had pretty much forgotten about him until we bumped into him, and haven't really mentioned him since, I don't want him dropping in and out of their lives forevermore. I haven't been away from the DC since the eldest was born; I would more than welcome a break while he steps up and does some parenting. But he claims to still be sofa surfing and so only wants to see them at my home or with me there.

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To not want to be present for contact?

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I met my ex ten years ago; he had two three year olds and I had a two year old. At first he had his DC loads but over the years contact would stop and start, with him doing little to reinstate it if it stopped. He said he felt he was doing his DC a favour by not causing more stress in their lives by taking things to court and that he felt happier without the stress too.

We have three DC together - aged 13 months, 3 and just turned 5 years old. I left him when I was pregnant and he didn't try to stop me. I strongly suspect he was cheating, he was financially and sexually abusive and did nothing in terms of parenting or around the home.

When I left I clearly told him my reasons for leaving, a main one being his lack of responsibility over the DC. He would have days off during the week and I'd still have to do all the packed lunches, nursery runs and get them ready before work while he did nothing. He never bathed, disciplined, put them to bed, looked after them when ill or anything.

After I left he went out getting drunk a lot. He missed the birth of the baby, apparently having fallen asleep, leaving me alone. He's missed birthdays and Christmas. When the baby was newborn, I'd invite him over or we'd have days out but he'd turn up smelling of alcohol, disappear early, be distracted by his phone or just generally uninterested in the DC. After 6 months of this, I said he still wasn't taking responsibility for them as I was still there to parent 24/7 while he just dropped in and out to play now and then. He claimed to be sofa surfing and not in a position to have any of them alone and then proceeded not to see them for months.

A few weeks ago we bumped into him in the supermarket. He messaged me a couple of days later to say he'd missed the DC and would we like to go out at the weekend? By that point one DC was very poorly and another looked to have the same bug coming. I replied telling him this and he said he was staying away then...! We all had a flu type virus over four weeks and I was absolutely on my knees doing everything for everyone, fuming at him for forgetting his responsibilities again. Then yesterday he messaged saying he trusted we're all better now so can he come over at the weekend?

AIBU to want to tell him to fuck off? The DC had pretty much forgotten about him until we bumped into him, and haven't really mentioned him since, I don't want him dropping in and out of their lives forevermore. I haven't been away from the DC since the eldest was born; I would more than welcome a break while he steps up and does some parenting. But he claims to still be sofa surfing and so only wants to see them at my home or with me there.

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PurpleCrowbar · 23/02/2019 09:46

What's your relationship with his parents like?

Could you suggest you drop the dcs there, & he can spend time with them?

If not possible, I'd agree with going down the route of a contact centre.

You don't need or want to be bothered with a drunk deadbeat ex under your feet - it has to be contact that is a) meaningful to the dc & b) gives you a flipping break!

YouSayPotatoesISayVodka · 23/02/2019 09:55

Honestly? Given the reasons you left him (financial and sexual abuse) and the fact you don’t feel he is safe around yourself or your children, I would let him take his request to court.

HelenLaBloodyAnnoyed · 23/02/2019 10:00

His parents have met the baby once and enquired after the children twice Hmm

I was in a car accident when baby was 4 months old and broke my arm, ribs and had whiplash. They all knew and none of them helped me or the children.

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LaurieFairyCake · 23/02/2019 10:02

I'd reply saying that my days of facilitating you playing with the children are over, the fact you couldn't handle them as a parent is why I left.

If you want to see the children you are quite welcome to take parentcraft courses and apply to court to have them. I will of course agree to the courts decision.

And yes I would go through the cms for child support. The point is to get some emotional distance from him so he can't piss you off so much.

CarolDanvers · 23/02/2019 10:07

Honestly those recommending that OP leave her small children in her house with their drunk deadbeat Dad who hardly knows them, are you that desperate for childcare that you’d really do this yourself?

HelenLaBloodyAnnoyed · 23/02/2019 10:50

That's exactly what I want to say, Laurie. I just wasn't sure if that was reasonable but I do feel I've been patient enough.

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notapizzaeater · 23/02/2019 10:59

You d been more than patient - he could take them to his parents to enable them to have a relationship with them ?

Go through the cms - he should be paying what he owes !

notapizzaeater · 23/02/2019 10:59

And use the extra money to do something for you ! Babysitter etc

Birdsgottafly · 23/02/2019 11:06

If you let him have contact at your house, he will just drift off again, because its all too easy.

He isn't capable of being a Parent and it's easier for the children if he is consistently not there.

PurpleCrowbar · 23/02/2019 11:07

Well, honestly then, bollocks to him.

Claim maintenance, & tell him that the kids don't need him flitting in & out, but if he wants to commit to a sensible contact schedule - at his place/outings/a contact centre, not at your house - then you are happy to agree such a schedule via mediation &/or court.

Make sure there is a third party professional such as a mediator involved, so he actually has to outline a reasonable proposal involving regular commitment; he obviously assumes you'll let him bully you into coming & going as he pleases, so you need someone 'official' there saying Lol No, basically!

I imagine you won't see him for dust.

Chilli21 · 23/02/2019 11:22

I would wonder about his motives; is he fed up of sofa surfing and looking to get you on side and move back in?

If he really wants a healthy relationship with his children I would suggest that he is asked to complete a parenting course to improve his skills and then looks at formalising contact, perhaps in a contact centre which he can arrange. If he is anxious about managing the children then perhaps he could enlist help from a family member and in turn his children can also build up links with his side of the family.

If he is serious he will get on with arranging this and work on building a relationship with his children. If he doesn’t do any of this then you have your answer and when your children are older you can explain why they do not have contact with their father.

HelenLaBloodyAnnoyed · 23/02/2019 15:32

The DC and I actually had to move Chilli21, he actively gave up the house we were renting when we moved out which says to me that he didn't have any intention of having the children alone from day one.

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Horsemenoftheaclopalypse · 23/02/2019 16:15

Put on your big girl knickers.

Go through CSA to get proper maintenance and let him go to court for access

As an aside, you knew it would end up like this because he shat all over his first wife and kids - why women keep breeding with useless men like this is beyond me...

CantStopMeNow · 23/02/2019 16:27

Come on OP - give your head a serious wobble!

He said he felt he was doing his DC a favour by not causing more stress in their lives by taking things to court and that he felt happier without the stress too
So basically he chose to opt out of parenting and being a parent because it suited him......yet you chose to have 3 kids to him Hmm

he was financially and sexually abusive and did nothing in terms of parenting or around the home
So he never improved as a parent and is an abusive, unreliable man.

fuming at him for forgetting his responsibilities again
Oh please! He CHOOSES to ignore his responsibilities towards ALL his kids.
He CHOOSES to abandon his kids and refuses to even pay the basic maintenance for them.
He is a STRANGER to your kids despite sharing some dna.

Why on earth are you even considering putting your dc through the inevitable bullshit again?
Why are you even tolerating his bullshit?

Your dc have a right to know their dad - sure.....but their dad has a RESPONSIBILITY to ensure their wellbeing and put their best interest firsts - and he isn't.

I suggest you tell him to go to mediation/court and get a proper contact order/arrangement in place if he's serious, so he can't just flit in and out and fuck about with their lives and feelings.
Contact CSA and start claiming at least the full basic maintenance he owes.

He's a deadbeat loser, an abuser and only cares about himself.
Don't get sucked into his bullshit again.
Protect your kids.

HelenLaBloodyAnnoyed · 23/02/2019 16:29

Actually his wife left him and he had his DC the majority of the time when I had our first two children, the third was an accident.

I think he likes dropping in and out because the DC are so forgiving and adoring and he likes feeling so wanted when he first sees them again, then when it becomes normal and they stop fawning over him he loses interest.

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