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Skint Britain: Friends without Benefits on C4

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amrscot · 13/02/2019 21:16

Is anybody else watching this?

One of the couples take their dog out to hunt rabbits and squirrels that they can eat.

They've just shown him with a dead rabbit he has caught skinning it in the kitchen Sad

Horrendous..

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Asta19 · 15/02/2019 21:00

@Ihaveabloodyheadache

I am truly sorry that you are in this situation. I absolutely agree that we should also be focusing on the people that work but are no better off than if they didn't. Sometimes even worse off in fact. As I said, at least with benefits it is somewhat guaranteed. The stress and uncertainty is worse. Anyone who works should absolutely not have to worry about how they are going to survive from month to month. I do hope that the smug ones who have read this thread and called UC claimants "scroungers" have had their eyes opened just a little bit. I genuinely hope that things work out ok for you. I would love to think we could somehow make change happen but sadly I wouldn't know where to start or who would even listen.

ALargeGinPlease · 15/02/2019 21:10

Ummaybenot the trouble with UC is that it's like a sledge hammer to crack a nut. There may be a tiny percentage of benefit claimants who are playing the system and getting more than they should. However, what UC has done, has punished ALL claimants. I liken it to the justice system - that it's better than one guilty man go free then an innocent person is locked up. Surely it better to have a few people claim a few more pounds from the benefits system, then to have even one partially sighted man crying and begging for food.

MyDcAreMarvel · 15/02/2019 21:18

@Ihaveabloodyheadache what was your change? As very few trigger a move to UC.

Asta19 · 15/02/2019 21:18

The virtually blind man actually really saddened me. What sort of job can he get? Who will give him a chance? He'd struggle to get work anywhere let alone somewhere where there are virtually no jobs in the first place. You know what, I have zero issue with my tax money going to people like him, or people like headache who are trying the very best that they can. I don't need the government to step in and say that I don't want my money to go to them. I do want it to! If I can help those people in any way at all then I am 100% happy to do so.

In the area I work in, public sector, the goverment spent several million on some swanky IT system that never worked and eventually got ditched. I heard they did the same with the NHS. Millions wasted. For what? We need to be shouting about what the government really wastes money on, not the benefits bill.

Ihaveabloodyheadache · 15/02/2019 21:54

@MyDcAreMarvel

It's a temporary increase in hours/income, but would have led to an overpayment on tc so I've changed it and from what I gather it 'could' lead to being changed to UC.

purpleme12 · 15/02/2019 21:58

I'm confused I thought an increase in hours didn't trigger a changeover to UC

Frequency · 15/02/2019 23:14

The virtually blind man is getting more support now, so hopefully things should get better for him and he should get what he is entitled to.

I'm another terrified by the switch to UC. According to turn2us and entitledto I will lose £50 a week as well whole months without payment because I get paid four-weekly and UC is calculated monthly. My credit isn't good enough to use credit to help on the months I get nothing. I work fulltime too, although I work for a private company it's the LEA who set and pay our wages. They've cut staff to the bone because central government aren't paying them enough for them to pay us enough.

In one way I am glad for the Brexit shit storm. At least it means the Tories will never see power again in my lifetime. But then again, it's people like me who will lose the most from it.

LoisWilkerson1 · 15/02/2019 23:31

I work in retail, not a job you need qualifications etc for but most of us are educated sahms, graduates, students so people with qualifications or work skills stand a chance of getting in. The jobs for people on shows like this do not exist any more.

MyDcAreMarvel · 15/02/2019 23:32

@Ihaveabloodyheadache I can hundred percentage guarantee you that will not trigger a change to UC.

MyDcAreMarvel · 15/02/2019 23:32

*percent

MyDcAreMarvel · 15/02/2019 23:33

I'm confused I thought an increase in hours didn't trigger a changeover to UC
You are correct, it doesn’t .

ReanimatedSGB · 15/02/2019 23:34

Again: why is it only poor people getting a bit of extra money that makes the stupid so furious? What about the wealthy who are 'rinsing the system' by dodging their taxes and paying poverty wages which they expect the government to top up? Good luck to anyone who';s found a way to get a few extra quid in while being on benefits.

LoisWilkerson1 · 15/02/2019 23:38

I wonder why we don't riot more. That twat Philip Green bragging his cleaner pays more tax than himHmm But no, it's those pesky poor folk.

Frequency · 15/02/2019 23:39

Again: why is it only poor people getting a bit of extra money that makes the stupid so furious? What about the wealthy who are 'rinsing the system' by dodging their taxes and paying poverty wages which they expect the government to top up? Good luck to anyone who's found a way to get a few extra quid in while being on benefits

Yeah, I have to say I can't manage to get myself wound up about benefit fraud. The actual amount of benefits claimed fraudulently is miniscule compared to the amount of benefits that go unclaimed or are under paid.

While the amount of unpaid taxes could pay the unemployment benefits bill 15 times over I think I'll save my wrath for the tax dodgers.

Asta19 · 15/02/2019 23:40

Yes, I have now seen many ways in which those who have money can dodge tax. But it’s always the person on benefits who is the villain. Ultimately it’s all classic divide and conquer. While we’re so busy getting angry at each other we’re not holding the government to account.

LoisWilkerson1 · 15/02/2019 23:44

I think the last recession tipped things,prior to that most people were doing fine, holidays etc. Then suddenly working people start struggling and thinking why is my neighbour on benefits living as good as me? This is what the Tories tapped into, a them and us mentality. They need the undeserving poor narrative. It's chilling in it's genius really. We really are puppets.

Ihaveabloodyheadache · 15/02/2019 23:50

@MyDcAreMarvel

@Ihaveabloodyheadache I can hundred percentage guarantee you that will not trigger a change to UC.

Really? I was under the impression that if nothing changed you stayed on tc until a managed migration, but if you changed your circumstances you got moved. Though from what I gather the people running the system don't know what they're doing so there's no hope for us is there.
Thank you so much, I've been really scared about this, by the time the managed migration takes place my DC will be out of education anyway and I'll be able to do more.

Frequency · 15/02/2019 23:52

The thing about coveting what your neighbours have that you don't is, unless you live with them you have no clue where they're getting their money from.

A local shop keeper expressed surprise earlier today when I told him I was buying my dog food early because I'm working late. Apparently his sister lives opposite me and I'm unemployed. She knows I'm unemployed because she never sees me leave the house, although I never answer the door to the delivery men who bring the obscene amounts of parcels I get to my house. She often wonders how I can afford so many new things when I'm on 'single mother benefits'. I get more catalogue than she does and she's worked all her life.

The truth of the matter is I work double shifts, so leave the house at 6am while she's still in bed and get home after 9pm when her blinds are closed and the parcels are more often than not business supplies that I need for the part-time self-employment I top my wages up with or study materials for the courses I have to complete for work.

LoisWilkerson1 · 15/02/2019 23:55

Ha! I had this too, I work twilight shifts, a neighbour I've had for ten years asked me if I was going to get a job now my dc are at schoolHmm I've been doing 30 hrs plus the whole time.

MyDcAreMarvel · 15/02/2019 23:56

18 OCTOBER 2018
The Department of Work and Pensions (DWP) has recently launched guidance for Departmental staff on what changes of circumstance trigger natural migration to Universal Credit.

Universal Credit is being rolled out at present and replaces the following benefits:

Housing Benefit;
Income-based Job Seekers’ Allowance;
Income-related Employment and Support Allowance;
Income Support;
Child Tax Credits; and
Working Tax Credits.
In Universal Credit, natural migration to Universal Credit can occur when someone has a change of circumstances that means they would have to make a new claim for one of these benefits. However, as they can no longer make a fresh claim for any of the existing (legacy) benefits, they must make a claim for Universal credit instead.

Premature natural migration

It should be stressed that claimants of legacy benefits ought not to prematurely claim Universal Credit, as they stand to lose out on transitional protection, which will be payable to those claimants who later migrate to Universal Credit under a managed migration process. Claimants who prematurely migrate may also lose out on any disability premiums they are currently being paid in the short term.

In their circular, DWP have listed a number of circumstances which would trigger a migration to Universal Credit, in addition to some exemptions (this is not an exhaustive list):

Circumstance for new UC claim

Additional information and exceptions

Move from in work to unemployment, and also claimants whose hours reduce to less than 16 hours per week

Claimants subsequently claim UC because income-based Job Seekers’ Allowance (JSA(IB)) is abolished in their area. However, claimants may also apply and qualify for ‘new style JSA’, which is contribution-based only JSA, alongside elements of UC.

Move from out of work to employment / self-employment

Exception – Claimants who already have an award of Child Tax Credits (CTCs) can apply for Working Tax Credits (WTCs). The award of WTC is a change of circumstances to the existing Tax Credits award, so they do not need to claim UC.

Move from income-related Employment and Support Allowance (ESA(IR)) to job-seeking

For example, claimant’s ESA(IR) award is terminated as they are found not to have limited capability for work. The claimant subsequently claims UC (because JSA(IB) is abolished in their area) and must remain on UC, even where any subsequent appeal against the ESA disallowance is found in their favour.

Exception – Claimant does not claim UC during any mandatory reconsideration period and, on appealing, is then awarded ESA pending appeal (a new claim is not required); where subsequent appeal is allowed, they remain on ESA(IR).

Move from ESA to employment / self-employment

Exception – Claimants that already have CTCs can continue to claim tax credits. This is because a new claim to WTC in these circumstances is not prevented under UCFS rules and so they do not need to claim UC.

Move from unemployed (e.g. Income Support (IS) or JSA(IB)) to being sick

Claimants may apply and qualify for ‘new style ESA’ – contributory only – alongside elements of UC.

Become responsible for a child for the first time

Exception – Claimants who already have an award of WTCs can claim CTCs. This is because a new claim to CTC in these circumstances is not prevented under UCFS rules and so they do not need to claim UC.

Existing HB claimant who moves from one Council area to a new Council area in a UCFS area (this will not apply to NI as NIHE administer all Housing Benefit claims for the whole of Northern Ireland)

Exception – Only claimants who move into specified accommodation or temporary accommodation can continue to make a new claim for HB. Claimants with 3 or more children can continue to make a new claim for HB up to 31 January 2019.

IS award ends because the claimant no longer satisfies the conditions of entitlement

Examples – The claimant is no longer a carer, or, if the claimant is a lone parent whose youngest child reaches 5 years of age.

Claimant receiving a legacy benefit or tax credits forms a couple with a UC claimant

They will not be able to remain on their existing benefits or tax credits and, on forming the couple, are treated as making a joint UC claim with their new partner.

Asta19 · 16/02/2019 00:00

That’s so true. The area I work in (and i’m sure it’s true of many others) has had pay freezes or less than inflation increases for a good 15 years now. While all other costs rise. Year on year a lot of working people have been getting poorer. Due to some changes my pay next year is looking like it will decrease to what it was in 2010.

Although benefits never rise in line with inflation either. My son was awarded DLA from age 5. The payment at that time was £170 per month. He got his very final payment at age 28. It was £174 per month. It had risen £4 in 23 years!

We are all getting poorer. We’re not far off a situation where only those earning 50k plus have any sort of decent lifestyle. And how realistic is that for most people?

MyDcAreMarvel · 16/02/2019 00:00

@Ihaveabloodyheadache it’s changes that would have previously caused you to claim a legacy benefit. Also if you need to claim tax credits as a single instead of joint claim.
Wage changes , moving house, having a baby etc do not trigger a move to UC. - unless you move and need to claim
HB.
Am glad you can stop worrying.

MyDcAreMarvel · 16/02/2019 00:01
  • having a baby should say having another baby.
HelenaDove · 16/02/2019 00:13

@LoisWilkerson1 the Guardian held a talk event recently "Re reading the 2011 riots. Could it happen again"

LoisWilkerson1 · 16/02/2019 00:19

Thanks helena will have a look.

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