...do teachers really work that hard?

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I know the general idea on AIBU is that teachers work load is ridiculous, that they work extra hard and that they never never stop to the point that they r all seemingly leaving the profession.

But, AIBU to wonder if they are any different to anyone else? and actually might have it a bit easier? I mean, I also work myself into the ground, am exhausted, never stop etc... But I don't have summer holidays off to look after my kids, and I often work well into the small hours at night.

I'm not saying teachers don't work hard, but sometimes on munsnet I just feel like some teachers kind of spend a lot of time complaining about the workload, when maybe it's just the same as everyone elses, but with a nice long summer holiday?

(Sorry, I appreciate this will really inflame some posters, but it just had been annoying me lately)

Mine started at 22 and hasn't gone up much at all. 40k I wish.

I would never, ever take on an SLT role or headship. Most teachers wouldn't, so that potential isn't there for many.

Also, if I divided what I earn by the amount of hours I work a week, I'm working for about 3 quid an hour.

I’m UPS3 so do earn nigh on 40k.

And I earn every bloody penny!!

You make it sound like a graduate role shouldn't be well paid?

I think comparing nurses with teachers, whilst commonly done is not necessarily valid as they form part of a network of staff. Why not compare teacehrs with doctors, for example??

May I respectfully point out OP that for my extra 9k responsibility pay I was directly in charge of the welfare of 420 students and line managed 15 staff.

For comparison
www.careerexperts.co.uk/graduate-careers/average-graduate-salary-uk-2018

Again... recruitment and retention CRISIS
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I'm not saying teachers don't work hard - it just surprised me what the salary actually is, as I imagined, given the complaints about it, that it would be a lot lower. Above average wage is good, isn't it? And there seem to be opportunities to get a decent pay rise +and to get paid quite a hefty wage) for those that want to progress to more senior levels. I honestly don't think it's under-the-counter, as I had thought on initial reading of the thread

Under-paid! Not under the counter !!

From that link ^

The highest paying industry for graduate trainees is the property sector and the lowest is education

But it isn't above average when you look at hours.

You originally asked whether we worked hard, not whether we wee remunerated sufficiently.

Teachers start at below average salary : hence the difficulty in recruitment.

Stop for one minute - just one - to think about how mayt lives a headteacher leads, how many people she line manages, the budget he may control, the hours she may work. Huge numbers of teachers have no desire to become a head.

But - again - I invite you to come over to the dark side. Assuming you have the qualifications.

I suggest people stop feeding the goady OP troll. The thread was mildly amusing (thanks clavinova) but some of us really do have stuff to be getting on with now

Well, the list doesn't surprise me - we all know there is money in property and in stocks and shares, and in IT and in law etc... We could have chosen those professions. I assume as well as a decent, above average wage, teachers also teach for other reasons (just as nurses/psychologists etc.. go into their professions for reasons other than entirely the pay)?

Quite! You just started the pay thing!!

So I'm back where I started (which will inflame and annoy some, so sorry for that), which is that teachers work hard (sometimes very hard) like the rest of us, often work long hours (like the rest of us), and get fair pay and the summer holiday off bar a few days they might want to go in to prep (like I sometimes work on my annual leave days and over Christmas etc.. like many do) ....

I've just checked back, and seen that I actually got a rise of the princely sum of £9 a month in April 2018. Do you know, I would really rather have received nothing more, for the insult.
Nothing has materialised yet from the supposed bonanza for last September. I think that, at 2%, it might work out at around £36pcm, hardly a lottery win.

Op: not sure teachers work that hard....

PP explaining that they do and why and how,plus some comic relief.

OP: ok,maybe they're not lazy but they're definitely getting paid loads.

I expect next will be all about teachers discounts at the gym and inset days. OP is obviously on a mission.

If a shoelace is wet on a sunny day, do you tie it or not?

Yes. You are. Why then did 70 people apply for a part time, just above min wage job at my GP surgery? Over 40 for a recent advert at our local Costa?
2 people apploed to be Head of Maths at my lovely rural school (nearly £50K salary ro try and entice a strong field)

I'm confused about the shoe lace

I never said teachers were lazy (and have consistently, since my first post, said they work hard) but people like to read in to posts what they want to read into posts

My DH was working out his pay to aim for cutting his hours/ looking forward to retirement rather than breakdown. Finance told him that the year he was paid most in teaching was 10 years ago!!! 10!!!

That's 'in real terms' by the way...

Teacher discounts at the gym!

1. Never heard of it!
2. Who has time to go to the gym?
3. I get enough exercise pounding round the playground to stop fights, fisticuffs and feuds!

Yes, they do. I watched my DM work and work and work and applied for teacher training but then decided to get a "job in an office". I'm paid more than she was and for less work.

Half term off?! I'm laughing my bollocks off!

No, you haven't OP . You have consistently said the workload is 'the same as everyone else's' whilst notably never telling us what you do,and admitting you are pissed off with teachers at the moment and , therefore, generalising outwatrds your annoyance to all of us. That's about as close to anouncing you are being deliberately goady as it gets.

The shoe lace.
Just think where the "water" might have come from!