...do teachers really work that hard?

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I know the general idea on AIBU is that teachers work load is ridiculous, that they work extra hard and that they never never stop to the point that they r all seemingly leaving the profession.

But, AIBU to wonder if they are any different to anyone else? and actually might have it a bit easier? I mean, I also work myself into the ground, am exhausted, never stop etc... But I don't have summer holidays off to look after my kids, and I often work well into the small hours at night.

I'm not saying teachers don't work hard, but sometimes on munsnet I just feel like some teachers kind of spend a lot of time complaining about the workload, when maybe it's just the same as everyone elses, but with a nice long summer holiday?

(Sorry, I appreciate this will really inflame some posters, but it just had been annoying me lately)

I wonder if there is anyone on here that can justify all the pointless admin most professionals end up
Doing round their jobs?

I’m an accountant and we end up
Spending more time jumping through hoops to take on a client, get approval for fee ratios, apply for derogations etc than we do doing the work. Then it’s all the admin around the work to ensure any audits show we have adhered to risk management, 360 degree feedback for work we have undertaken, setting goals that no one looks at again etc etc.

Teachers have to complete everything in triplicate evidence every breath they take (or intend to take).

Now it is obviously someone’s job to come up with all these requirements. I wonder when designing them they actually think through how it will play out in the real world, whether they are absolutely necessary to getting the job done or are they just nice to haves / justify your job??

Eff
Excellent summary. To move up the markscheme, what can you infer about different groups of posters from this?

(Paper 2/question 2 Englishers )

Stopmakingafooloutofme

I really am doing my masters and so far my grades have been spot on (as I said I have to work a little harder because I can’t spell for shit) so I don’t need advice from a teacher who can’t respond to a message except to be rude. Why don’t you respond to the content of my message rather than my spelling?

Do you think the bureaucrats have to fill in paperwork about the amount of paperwork they have introduced to the paperwork, budgie ??

Piggy most likely but probably not quite as much as their supervisors who are completing paperwork about juniors completing paperwork about completing paperwork they have introduced to document the completion of paperwork.😂

Thank you smile

I did think I’d missed off ‘thread descends into a grammar row’ at the end...

I would infer that the group of (very witty) teachers posting are wasting their time and that many of the non-teachers posting really do need to consider how valid an opinion can be without any knowledge or experience.

In and amongst, there is a small group of lovely comments though. That’s always nice 👍

@StopMakingAFoolOutofMe
We point out what we do, because many don't realise that half our pay usually goes on the children in our class.

Really?! Half your pay? Leave it out. Again you love an exaggeration!!

@SmileEachDay
@joliejoleen

Well educated clearly because your use of abusive language is shocking.

At no point has anyone who is not a teacher on here used abusive, name calling language. It seems to be only the teachers name calling and using bad language 🤔

Seems to me there is an awful lot of bitterness and anger! Non teachers haven't dropped below the line like the teachers have.

budgie

🌟 Eff

Now, I have a couple —of dozen— students who are struggling with moving on to inference, could you be a love and explain it to them before their mock exam?

You are one scary Fucker !!!

Non teacher to teacher , page 11.

I am nothing if not determined to disprove a sweeping asserion.

assertion. Whoops.

Nice use of textual detail there Piggy

Actually budgie you have got me thinking. All the ridiculous paperwork in my bit of teaching (so called research) has come from business management models in the last 15 years or so (around about when the rot set in). So we do 360 degree feedback etc , too. Totally ridiculous and very unsuitable for a workplace involving volatile, unpredictable creatures such as children and teachers

Ooh thanks Piggy - that was me that got called the scary fucker! I replied (non-sweary reply I think) and then they gave up, which was nice.

Seems to me there is an awful lot of bitterness and anger! Non teachers haven't dropped below the line like the teachers have.

Thanks for this! It fits beautifully with my thread summary 😘😘

I believe it was eff who was the scary fucker in question.

Really?! Half your pay

It's funny that you think I'm exaggerating

Easily. Resources are expensive and I like to give the best experience I can. The extras I buy such as stationery, food, sometimes uniform or shoes, a picnic table last month, props for the school play, laminating pouches and a new guillotine reaches well into the hundreds. Kids are worth it though.

It is indeed colly. My pleasure to keep you company. Glad you are greatful.

Mine struggle with inference as well, Smile. Seems to be a problem for many, well into adulthood, if this thread is an indicator. Lots of people trying to infer, I think, but confusing it with a massive, evidence-less assumption. Oops.

Can I can back in the room? Is it all over?

Threads like this highlight one of the biggest issues in teaching. Aside from the goady OP, the inevitable comments about holidays/hours/nurses/police, teacher responses and then the sniping, the main issue is that people don't respect teachers like they used to. Do children swear at doctors? Bank Managers?

So why are teachers, nurses and policemen fair game?

Over 20 years I have seen parents change and in response the attitude of pupils. I have heard it all. When I was a kid I would never have spoken to any adult like I get spoken to today. I am a good teacher yet still get called a bitch and told to fuck off almost daily.

Threads like this make me realise that children are hearing at home that teachers don't need to be respected.

And if anyone comes in and says respect needs to be earned ... please don't. We should all be respectful it's not about fist bumps

No. Stay outside until we have called you back.

I think you guys should give the person who wrote this post a break. Everyone works hard, many people clean toilets and work 0 hour contracts day and night and still don't have enough money to pay the rent for an overcrowded flat in a not so nice area, but yet these people are still smiling and never moaning.

Teachers and many middle class people who earn a salary whereby you get to own your home or rent in a nice area and not have to worry about the gas and electric running out in the night should never moan. I include myself in that bracket, but we're all guilty of making our middle class jobs sound like the hardest in the world we all need to get a grip! 🙄.

Inference, particularly nuanced and perceptive inference, is indeed a skill Eff.