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AIBU?

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To feel like I cannot help her anymore

67 replies

Habbs · 09/02/2019 17:09

I have a friend who's boyfriend is an utter prick, he's picks her up and drops her, has zero respect for her, controls her and gaslights her constantly. He doesn't physically abuse her, but he plays with her brain like it's a little toy, I was in a similar relationship many years ago, I have since married and settled down with a lovely man.

I have been trying to help her for nearly two years. At first she'd casually drop his behaviour into conversation, and I'd try and explain to her what he was doing, I explained what gaslighting was and tried to offer advice on how to get back in control. Eventually it turned into a case of her texting me or calling me and asking if I knew how to deal with this situation, if I had any advice etc every time he was an arsehole (most days), I have tried so hard to remain compassionate, as I have been there, it's hard and shitty and takes so much strength but ultimately men like this don't change, you have to walk away. Every conversation I explain softly what I think, and what she could do, offer to help her etc, she always says "you're so right" and then never follows any of my advice.

He left her last year, and I thought hallelujah. That's the end of that. Until it wasn't, he continued to pick her up and drop her whenever was convenient and she let him back in with open arms. She had told me they were casually dating again and I said to her, now is the time to be strong, and walk away. She insisted she knew what she was doing, they were just having fun and she's a grown woman. I left her too it, you can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. Of course it turned serious again, he moved back in with her and started controlling her again, and ever since then it's been a million times worse than it was the first time.

I know she's not lying about him being awful to her, she sends me the screenshots I've seen the proof, plus I know the guy and he's a grade A dickhead and always has been. I didn't have anyone to point out to me that I was being gaslighted and abused with my ex, it took me a while to figure it out and leave him and I'm not under any circumstances saying it's easy, but she's got people by her side telling her what's going on, friendship to me isn't about sugar coating it's the blunt truth which is what I try and give her. I just don't know how many times I can give her the same advice, for her to not follow it and ring me again 2 days later crying that he's being horrible.

She last rang me 4 days ago, in tears again saying that he'd done so and so. I spent an hour on the phone trying to comfort her and give her advice. I had a missed call today, and a text after saying 'please ring me back, today is not a good day with boyfriend' I read the message and put my phone away, I'm pregnant with my first child and we had a scan today to find out the sex, so me and DH were on bit of a high and had gone and bought some baby bits and for a nice lunch. I have read receipts on my phone, so she'd seen that I had read the message and not replied and text me saying "never mind, ignore me, I'll talk to someone who cares" I was a little annoyed as I was in a really good mood and she can't say I don't care, all I've done for the past two years is comfort her and give her advice that she ignores. I didn't reply as it was all a bit passive aggressive and I don't need that, but 20 minutes later she text again saying 'why do you even try to pretend that you give a fuck about me! you so clearly don't!' I snapped at this point and replied saying that I'd had a scan and it was a special day for me and DH, that I've been at her beck and call for two years doing everything in my power to support her and that I'm allowed one day to focus on myself" she replied saying 'if you find me so exhausting, why are you my friend?' And I did rather bluntly say 'you know what, it's getting really hard to respect somebody who doesn't even respect themselves'

I feel bad about saying that, but I do feel that way. I don't know how many times I can give the same advice but still answer the phone to the same crying phone call. It's not her fault she's being abused, it's not easy to walk away but it's also not easy to just constantly give advice and her not even listen to it. I feel like I've had my years of dealing with gaslighting and today especially was a day for me to be happy and focus on something positive and it became all about her. It's just become so consuming it's like I'm a part of it, even Christmas Day I had her on the phone crying hysterically.

I don't want to turn my back on somebody who is going through this, but I don't understand how I can help anymore, it's exhausting and I can't even read a message and not reply for half an hour without this! What will she be like when my baby is here and I have other things to be doing with my time? Fully prepared to be told IABU, I'm surprisingly myself at how little compassion I have for her today, I just feel worn out with it all. I don't think I can do it anymore. I know I shouldn't be making this about me.. but I can't help but feel this way.

OP posts:
Aridane · 09/02/2019 17:55

Jai has good advice

Iwould meet her (or send a message) and let her know that you will be there for her if she ever decides to leave her dickhead partner but you can't continue to support her while she is with him. And then walk away, ignore all messages and focus on you, your DH and the baby

Crockof · 09/02/2019 17:55

Another support for yanbu.

woollyheart · 09/02/2019 17:56

Your husband is right - she isn't taking responsibility for herself.

Is your friendship with her completely about you supporting her in her relationship with her boyfriend?

Grumpelstilskin · 09/02/2019 17:59

I would echo the advice about tellng her that you will be there for her once she left him. But I would only do so if the dynamics are then different and she doesn't just take and take, instead of showing you support.

Drum2018 · 09/02/2019 18:00

You could just send one more text to ask her to let you know when she throws that dickhead to the kerb and you will be in a position to support her as a friend then. However, point out that as long as he is in the picture you can not support her anymore as she doesn't heed any of your advice where he's concerned.

Barbarafromblackpool · 09/02/2019 18:04

Definitely time to withdraw. She only cares about herself.

billybagpuss · 09/02/2019 18:04

She is very selfish, Have a lovely evening celebrating with DH

Mysterycat23 · 09/02/2019 18:06

Agree with pp it's just a game she's playing. You're just a piece of the weird drama llama lifestyle she's got going on. She might even be excited you've finally cut her off, gives her yet another thing to moan about and be a victim of. Please just get on with your life and don't waste any more headspace on this selfish individual. She's a black hole.

whiskybysidedoor · 09/02/2019 18:07

Congratulations OP!

Trust me even if she gets rid of this man there will another one that follows immediately after. She doesn’t want help she wants the drama.

I’d just say that you are sorry but can’t help her with this particular matter anymore but you’d still like to be friends. She will drop you like a hot rock but that is probably for the best.

captainjackandjill · 09/02/2019 18:08

YANBU. You've been an amazing friend, but it's time to walk away. I agree with other posters, she is not interested in you having your own life. Your life must revolve around her or she gets ticked off. She is not a friend, she is a user.

Congratulations on your pregnancy and scan! You have a lot of wonderful things to focus on, don't waste your energy on an emotional vampire.

Mummyoflittledragon · 09/02/2019 18:12

YANBU
I agree with userschmoozer about Games People Play.

I also note you’re in a triangle with her (see karpman triangle). The three points are : Victim / perpetrator / rescuer. As you do not wish to act as her rescuer, she’s turned from victim to perpetrator. She’s in multiple games and this one is with you. You need to stop playing the game.

I agree with pps analysis. There’s something else going on. She needs to sort this one out, not you. Only she can rescue herself My bet is she barely acknowledged your scan or much about your happy news. So yes, I’d quietly bale on this one. As already stated, she’s an emotional vampire.

magoria · 09/02/2019 18:18

You have done what you can. She is not ready to make a break from him yet.

You have to put your family first. You can be ready to make a break from her.

It will not make you a bad person at all.

Coronapop · 09/02/2019 18:20

Time to be blunt, tell her you are focusing on your pregnancy now and will soon be occupied totally with your new baby so you don't have time to keep repeating the same advice you have given her repeatedly - it is up to her to act on it.

cstaff · 09/02/2019 18:22

She sounds like really hard work OP and at a time when you really don't need it. Does she even ask how your baby/ pregnancy is going or is it all about her all the time. Give yourself a break.

ElspethFlashman · 09/02/2019 18:38

You've been an amazing friend to her.

She's been a fucking piss poor friend to you. Do you ever think about that? Don't you deserve a good friend too?

bikerclaire · 09/02/2019 18:51

I'm not a psychologist but I think you've got to remember that her major influencer - her abusive bf - has taught her how to get a reaction 'his way'. She's now picked up the framework of gaslighting/blaming/accusing in order to get a reaction and to falsely take the moral high ground. I think her reaction is a part of the overall abuse she is experiencing. Of course, none of this helps with knowing what to do about it but might help you to make some sense?

queenrollo · 09/02/2019 18:52

It is absolutely OK to call time on this friendship.
I have been in your situation twice. The first time the woman involved did LTB and rebuilt her life.
The second time (different friend) she left. I supported her and then she went back. He was dangerous (he would drive to the houses of her friends to find her, and he is violent) and so I went completely NC.
She left again, I reconnected with her.....and then found out she was still in touch with him, playing lovey dovey.
I went NC again and it's staying like that now.

I know you want to be there for her, but until SHE wants to change there is absolutely nothing you can say or do that will make a difference.
Do not allow this person to taint your pregnancy, and do not allow her to bring this toxicity into your family when you have your child.

Midnight21 · 09/02/2019 18:54

It's terrible what's happening to your friend.Makes it doublydifficult when you've been in a similar position.
There is a limit though,you've reached it.Nothing wrong with that.
Maybe time to speak frankly.That's what I'd do.never easy & risks a bad response but you'll resent her if not.
Congrats on the pregnancy

Darkstar4855 · 09/02/2019 18:57

Her behaviour towards you today is conpletely unacceptable. I was feeling some sympathy towards her until that point but now I think you are better off walking away. You have done your best to help her and it hasn’t worked. Don’t let her drag you under the water with her because she won’t make the effort to swim.

MissB83 · 09/02/2019 19:03

YANBU. And if you're losing patience with her now, you won't have any time for her once the baby arrives!

Congratulations Thanks

sonjadog · 09/02/2019 19:09

You are definitely right to draw a line on this one here. Maybe this will even give her the push to get rid of him?

NoIsACompleteAnswerSometimes · 09/02/2019 19:14

You can't help those that won't help themselves.

This is something I've discovered over the years, though it's taken a while. Quite liberating once you get that in your head. Good luck.

CrazyKittenSmile · 09/02/2019 19:17

Some people seem to feed off drama and attention and almost need to be bouncing from crisis to crisis. It sounds like this is your friend and that all the time you’re putting your time and energy into helping and advising her is just fuelling that. I think you’re taking your experience of being in an abusive relationship but not realising what was happening and reflecting on how helpful it would have been to have someone support you and trying to be that person for her. But it doesn’t sound like she is in the same situation, it sounds like she has the awareness of how toxic her relationship and has the support of friends which would enable her to get out but isn’t leaving for some other reason, maybe because a part of her craves the drama it brings and because she likes the attention and sympathy she is getting from friends when she calls them up crying. Obviously that is a problem in itself and I’m not saying it’s her fault, but that maybe it’s not a situation you can help her out if through listening to and advising her. She clearly doesn’t want your advice and just wants the shoulder to cry on. Some people like being a victim. I think you would be completely reasonable to step back from this situation, direct your friend to services such as Women’s Aid and tell her that when she’s ready to leave him you’ll be there to help practically in any way you can, but that you’re unable to keep being there for her to vent to when she’s clearly making no effort to change her situation.

Iflyaway · 09/02/2019 19:25

even Christmas Day I had her on the phone crying hysterically.

Unless a genuine emergency, this is just awful!

What a drama queen! She sounds extremely draining.

You sound like a lovely person OP. Pull away from this "friendship"" and concentrate on your pregnancy - congratulations! - and your own family cos you know. she will not wake up one day and "see the light".

They are co-dependent, and it is not your job to fix it.

Squigglesworth · 09/02/2019 19:53

Nah, she's had countless chances to learn from your advice and example. Some people just don't want to help themselves, and you can't do it for them. I'd stop feeding her need for attention.

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