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School punishment too harsh?

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Witchesandwizards · 08/02/2019 23:27

Not sure if I’m unfairly taking DD’s side but she has been punished quite severely considering this is the first time in 5.5 years we have been contacted about her behaviour...

DD, 9, was on her way back from an inter school athletics competition when they reached the school perimeter, saw their friends in the playground and a group of about 12 kids ran, maybe 20 metres along the length of the fence to the school gate. On the pavement, no roads crossed, but obviously risked falling and she definitely did know that they weren’t supposed to run. I have no issue with her facing the repercussions, but I feel that the punishment they received is excessive:

They were called to the head and told off (so they couldn’t finish lunch despite being in school early for the competition, having no snacks during the event and DD having an after school club).

They had to write letters of apology to the teachers on the trip.

They had a detention.

They were banned from external sports event for the rest of the half term (4 weeks) - the head said it was to give them a short, sharp shock, but for DD is has been torture. She is OBSESSED with sports and has missed two events she has been looking forward to/training for, for a year. One of which she was the only person in her year to qualify for the finals for last year, and the other a sport that no one else in her year plays, but that she is talented at and plays for a club. I feel this means she is impacted to a greater degree - we are friends with some of the other kids punished and most are not interested in these two events so wouldn’t try out anyway and told me they don’t care about the punishment. I don't think she should have special treatment because of her love of sports, but I do think the punishment, while relevant to the crime, is not fair to all the children. She has also missed a couple more events that she would have liked to go to but is not as passionate about.

I have had a meeting with the head to discuss the incident, and thought that maybe there was more to it, but no. ‘Just’ the running. And she couldn’t understand how the sport ban punished some children more than others.

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FredFlinstoneMadeOfBones · 09/02/2019 15:13

That does sound really OTT. They should never be denied their food. I would have just given them a telling off at the time.

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FredFlinstoneMadeOfBones · 09/02/2019 15:14

now just imagine this thread if your DD had fallen and banged her head..or had to go to hospital....I bet it would be a "why was teacher not watching her" thread.

Such a stupid straw man argument. Kids run all the time, sometimes they fall over and very rarely do parents moan to the school about it.

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BarbarianMum · 09/02/2019 15:23

I think if the OP had come here and complained that her dd had fallen and banged her head during this incident, she would have been handed her arse on a platter . Smile With the exception of children with SEN who are known to be bolters, 9 year olds are not expected to need physical restraint to stop them running off.

What on earth do this school do to punish children that really misbehave? Behead them?

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recrudescence · 09/02/2019 16:03

I agree - excessive response. And usually these threads leave me wanting to punish the child a bit more! A detention, letter of apology and wigging from the Head was easily enough to make the point. Also short-sighted to deny the child the opportunity to make amends via representing the school at future sporting events - nice kids like to ‘put things right’ by being good in some other area. Finally, what’s the school going to do next time kids behave like this? Form a firing squad?

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Youknowmedontyou · 09/02/2019 16:14

Children run along a pavement ..... possibly laughing and shouting with glee as they do.......

Behead them!

So dangerous, so out of control, so so so child like!

The school are being totally OTT!

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luckylavender · 09/02/2019 16:15

She's 9 & she's been selected for every team for 5 years? DS was very sporty but I don't remember teams at 4.

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youarenotkiddingme · 09/02/2019 16:22

She's right they could fall and bang heads.

So I take it no child is allowed to run playground again - Ever

No child will be participating in the rugby event - more risky than running.

All children caught running within the school grounds from that date onwards will each receive an identical punishment - as they could fall and bang their head.

I'm all for supporting schools but in this case I'd be emailing HT to confirm the conversation and the punishment for running and asking for a copy of the behaviour policy with all the above points re running added to ensure fairness.

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AppleKatie · 09/02/2019 16:28

I’m all for supporting the school but this is patently bonkers. You’re well within your rights to complain I think.

Banned from competitive sport for running 20 yards in a safe environment? Bonkers.

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Tavannach · 09/02/2019 16:31

The punishment doesn't fit the crime, way too severe. I'd draft out the official complaint and then contact the head saying that prior to submitting a formal complaint you'd like to discuss it again. If he won't back down go ahead with the complaint.

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tablelegs · 09/02/2019 16:36

I think missing one game or a detention would have been appropriate. I find the rest OTT.

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ComeMonday · 09/02/2019 16:48

The punishment was excessive, yes. But I can’t see what the backstory has to do with the punishment your DD got. Do you really think at age nine she can judge what motivated the teacher to react as she did? And are you suggesting that because a kid with a known behavior problem didn’t receive visible punishments for completely unrelated things that should excuse the rest of the kids from consequences?

Seriously, think about how you sound.

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Allusernamestakenbutthis · 09/02/2019 16:49

It’s OTT but I doubt the head will back down. Yanbu, but I personally would not raise this. I have seen firsthand how teachers, especially the HT, act when you disagree with them and it’s a life sentence for you and your child. It’s just not worth it.

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 09/02/2019 16:55

I would have thought that a bollocking and a detention would be sufficient punishment for this.

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missyB1 · 09/02/2019 17:03

So ds did a very similar thing the other week. They were coming back from a swimming lesson and he ran ahead for a short distance. He had a detention, I got an email explaining why, and he had to write an apology letter to the sports teacher who was supervising. All fair and good.

It would have been over the top if they had then banned him from swimming. I will add that he has never done anything like that before, and is in fact a bit of a goody two shoes Grin

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BoneyBackJefferson · 09/02/2019 17:10

I await your future threads where your dd gets detentions on the same days as sports fixtures in secondary school.

After all she will be being treated differently due to her love of sports.

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AppleKatie · 09/02/2019 17:23

I await your future threads where your dd gets detentions on the same days as sports fixtures in secondary school.

Haha haha as a secondary teacher let me promise you that I regularly get emails from the head of PE excusing pupils from my detention because they have a match.

Sport is king in the majority of schools I’ve worked in.

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BoneyBackJefferson · 09/02/2019 17:29

AppleKatie

I am lucky in that when the head o PE has done this the HT has backed me up.

The one time that the HT didn't I sent the members of the team to the PE department every time they destroyed one of my lessons.

It lasted about two weeks.

Sports and sports teams are not an excuse for poor behaviour.

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AppleKatie · 09/02/2019 17:31

My school takes the view that since sport is a team enterprise you can’t allow one child to disrupt the team by not playing.

Detentions must still be sat but at a different time.

Fortunately in this situation there is a detention I can send them to that I don’t have to run.

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watsmyname · 09/02/2019 18:53

I'm a year head in a school (secondary) and that is excessive. The detention would suffice as a sanction for what happened. I'd be interested to see the behaviour policy - there are often categories of indiscipline that have appropriate sanctions. Perhaps check this before writing your letter. I'd hate to see what happened if someone had a fight or something - this kind of punishment leaves nowhere to go when worse things happen.

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Youknowmedontyou · 09/02/2019 18:57

My school takes the view that since sport is a team enterprise you can’t allow one child to disrupt the team by not playing.

Detentions must still be sat but at a different time.


^^ excellent view!

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ladyvimes · 09/02/2019 19:04

Very excessive. I would have told them off for running and left it at that!

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Lizzie48 · 09/02/2019 19:07

My school takes the view that since sport is a team enterprise you can’t allow one child to disrupt the team by not playing.

Detentions must still be sat but at a different time.


^ excellent view^

I agree, finally some common sense!

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mathsquestions · 09/02/2019 19:37

Totally OTT. You must push back first asking the head why policy is not being followed and then escalating if necessary.

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BoneyBackJefferson · 09/02/2019 19:46

Youknowmedontyou and Lizzie48

So what you are saying is that its ok to mess around in lessons, disrupt others learning and not miss an extra curricular activity because you are good at it?

All that does is promote that attitude that if you are good at sport that there are no real consequences.

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Youknowmedontyou · 09/02/2019 20:30

@BoneyBackJefferson did the post not say that detention was still given......I believe it did?

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