To think this employer is taking the piss ?

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My 17 yo attended an interview on Saturday. The position was for Shop Manager (it’s an independent food based shop).
Hours, holiday, pay etc was discussed. My son would be opening/closing the shop, cashing up at EOD , 6 days a week. He would be working on his own with no lunch break 10-6.
He was successful & received his contract last night.
The employer has removed any paid holiday (agreed 28 days in the interview), his salary would be £200 a week & 2 days paid training to be paid back if he leaves within 12 months .
It’s taking the piss isn’t it ?

Instead of asking on here a quick google search will tell you what's Legal . Look on .gov website.
Tbh not sure how and why employers get away with this these days , most people know the minimum wage holidays etc and if your don't all online .
I think he's probably thinking because he's only young and trying to take advantage. Does he really want to work for someone like that ? Sounds like a lot of responsibility for not a lot ,

His employer can offer him a 'management' position with responsibility, and offer minimum wage, though those figures break down to less. It is of course his choice to accept this at minimum wage- the experience of being key holder and cashing up etc can look good for one so young.

He is entitled to holiday pay - unless the employer is hiring him on a self employed basis, which doesn't sound conducive with the industry. Over a year period he is entitled to 5.6 weeks holiday, which usually includes bank holidays. So in simple terms of someone works 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, they are entitled to 28 days paid holiday - 8 of which are bank holidays. If he is off he is paid it as a holiday, if he works a bank holiday he would be entitled to a day off in lieu. Some companies insist that it is earned before used - but he is definitely entitled to it!

I think the manager title in the job is just to sucker in some kid who lets the CF massively take the piss because they get to tell their mates their a manager!

Entitlement to holidays is 28 (20 working days and 8 bank holidays, which don't actually have to be taken on a bank holiday) - this is the statutory minimum, and a requirement in law

Shit - off topic - but I don't get that!

In response to those saying a 17 year old can't manage a shop - I did and did an extremely good job. I was also paid very poorly to begin with but I used the opportunity to gain experience. I had a very successful (and eventually) well paid career which took me all over the country!

However it does sound like this boss is taking the piss!

Sounds awful. Chances are they'll expect him to do unpaid overtime as well, i.e. he'll have to get there early to set up shop and leave late to clean up/wait for last customer to leave at the end of the day.

Ariadane - are you fulltime? The 28 days don’t have to include bank holidays if you are in an industry that works bank holidays but 28 days is the legal minimum.

Does this shop sell alcohol? If he's opening / locking up I guess he's in charge? Can't legally sell alcohol at the age of 17.

Holiday is worked out pro rata for part time employees based on the usual number of days worked - so if you work 3 days the calculation would be 3 x 5.6 = 16.8 holidays (most would round this up to 17) at your normal shift length. Bank holidays can be included in that - meaning you would have 9 flexible holiday days and 8 bank holidays -again unless you work the bank holiday when you would be owed another day in lieu.

Yes, come, I'm full time. Thank

Ah - think I may be getting muddled with bank holidays being in addition to leave entitlement?

Avoid it. Owner won't split profits. A job at one of the fast food chains would be better surely.

Ariadne your entitlement should say one of two things

28 days

Or 20 days plus 8 bank holidays.

It’s all very well to say take the job for experience - but do you really think this employer is going to give a good reference?

Ah, I see, come - thanks

Don’t let him take it. The employer is a CF and would probably take advantage of your son. This happened to my younger brother. It was awful and he was in tears one day because the manager refused to pay him when he resigned. My dad marched down to see his boss and blew a fuse at him. He wrote my dad a cheque then and there.

Experience is the one thing that a person always take away from a job - regardless of a reference that may or may not come at the end. That doesn't disappear once a job ends. The person can grow because the have had to take on responsibility. It's a matter of weighing up IF the experience gained is worth the effort. If it isn't don't do it.

Honestly I'd probably encourage him to take it and not go to war with the owner, because he doesn't need to stay there long at all'. Just see it as a stepping stone to the next one.

But getting a job is hard, and it will look good on his cv. And means he is more likely to get thr next one when he can demonstrate some experience.

I thought that 17 year olds had to be in education or training. Have I got this wrong?

www.gov.uk/know-when-you-can-leave-school

I worked part time in retail when I was 17/18. It was removed from my CV many years ago and made no contribution to my career at all!

i Also thought 17 year olds were not legally allowed to leave school if not in training. And that maybe I'd got it wrong.

Ah it's just England it's illegal.

A person of aged 17 can work - also in England, but are meant to also be in at least part time training / education until the age of 18. It is the responsibility of the 17 year old to ensure that those terms are met.

I wonder why different parts of the UK have chosen different rules for 17 year olds.

#devolution