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Climate change

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AJelly · 29/01/2019 13:42

Hi - I'm new to mumsnet so just trying to figure it out. I find reading about all the global climate change issues and stuff really freaky. Does anyone else feel like this?? Or am I going nuts?

I've got 3 kids and I'm really worried about the kind of world they're going to grow up in. I want to talk about it with other mums but sometimes I feel like I'm the only one reading about it in the papers so too embarrassed to bring it up. Is it just me?

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Tiscold · 30/01/2019 15:13

One thing people who mock electric cars state is that the batteries are bad etc for the enviroment and the manufacturing process is bad but what theh forget is the about of carbon released by lorries, ferries and heavy machines to even start mining the crude oil, then the emmissions from the mining process, then the emmissions from converting crude oil into fuel, then the process of delivering the fuel and then finally the emmissions from the vehicle.

The Union of Concerned Scientists, an impartial group states,an electric vehicle is much cleaner than a gasoline vehicle, even when you take into account the emissions from natural gas, coal, or however else you’re generating the electricity,” says Dave Reichmuth, a senior engineer in the nonprofit's clean vehicles program. And as the electric grid moves away from dirty fuel sources, the gap is widening. The UCS study looks beyond driving-related emissions to consider the entire supply chain that goes into making cars go. For the gas guys, that means all the emissions associated with extracting crude oil are included. For electrics, the UCS uses power plant emissions data from the EPA, and includes the environmental cost of mining coal, for example.

On average,battery electric vehicles(BEVs) representative of those sold today produceless than halfthe global warming emissions of comparable gasoline-powered vehicles, even when the higher emissions associated with BEV manufacturing are taken into consideration. Based on modeling of the two most popular BEVs available today and the regions where they are currently being sold, excess manufacturing emissions are offset within 6 to 16 months of driving.

Replacing gasoline use with electricity reduces overall emissions by 51 percent over the life of the car. A full-size long-range (265 miles per charge) BEV similar to a Tesla Model S, with its larger battery, adds about six tons of emissions, which increases manufacturing emissions by 68 percent over the gasoline version. But this electric vehicle results in 53 percent lower overall emissions compared with a similar gasoline vehicle

In other words, the extra emissions associated with electric vehicle production are rapidly negated by reduced emissions from driving. Comparing an average midsize midrange BEV with an average midsize gasoline-powered car, it takes just 4,900 miles of driving to “pay back”—i.e., offset—the extra global warming emissions from producing the BEV.

Tiscold · 30/01/2019 15:19

@DoodleLab
Just for you

People who oppose wind farmsoften claimwind turbine blades kill large numbers of birds, often referring to them as “bird choppers”. And claims of dangers to iconic or rare birds, especially raptors, have attracteda lot of attention.

wind farms killed approximately seven thousand birds in the United States in 2006 but nuclear plants killed about 327,000 and fossil-fuelled power plants 14.5 million.

According to the Centre for Sustainable Energy, wind turbines are responsible for less than 0.01% of avian mortality caused by humans. It might be hard to hear, butBritish cats kill around 55 million birds a year. And that’s before we get into the other things we humans make - windows, roads, plyons, chicken nuggets, climate change...

According to the RSPB, wind turbines can harm birds in three possible ways – disturbance, habitat loss (both direct and/or indirect) and collision. We should be aware of all of these issues and make sure turbines aren’t built on big migration routes or on breeding and roosting sites.

The main point the RSPB stress, however, is thatclimate change is the biggest threat to birds, and wind is part of the the solution. The trick - which theBat Conservation Trust would also argue- is to do wind well. Fortheir own turbine, the RSPB did three years of breeding and wintering bird surveys as well as surveying bat populations to make sure they wouldn’t harm the wildlife in their nature reserve or local area. Scientists are continuing to research what causes bird and bat deaths and how we can best mitigate it.

AJelly · 30/01/2019 17:50

I agree - electric cars and wind power are definitely progress. They may not be perfect but it's a journey and better than continuing to rely on fossil fuels which we know are totally wrecking the planet.

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Tiscold · 30/01/2019 21:37

Agreed. Electric cars are pretty much perfect as are wind turbines too Grin

Tesla has also said old car batteries will and can be used in their home storage systems. So they will reuse the batteries and help the enviroment even more, by saving excess renewable energy from the day to power at night

TomorrowNeverWants · 14/04/2019 09:43

I think we have a hard time getting our head around it as the solutions are contrary to human natural instincts, even survival instincts.

One of the things we could do, as a race, is have less children so that the overall population does not increase. Unfortunately that's contrary to our inane survival instinct and we continue to expand.

All we can do as individuals is live as sustainably as possible, while voting for politicians with a green agenda eg not the current government.

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