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AIBU?

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To ask her to share the cost

73 replies

Tobermory · 27/01/2019 22:11

I need some perspective.
So... back story. My sibling lives with her DH and child approx 300 miles away from me in the Uk. I’m her only family. We have no parents and just one ageing Aunt. We’re close, we’ve been through a lot. Ten years ago she moved in with me and DH while her life was difficult.

She has not travelled back to her home town (where I live ) for approx 3 years. Her DH Doesn’t like to travel or stay away from home (unless on holiday) so they don’t come here. Prior to her DC arriving she came here and stayed with me and my family for a couple of days over the Christmas break - did this for a couple of years but Her DH didn’t come.

So the only way I see her and her Dc is to travel there. We can’t stay in their home so have to stay in hotels. Their home has 3 bedrooms so in theory we could all squeeze in though it would be a squeeze. when family come here, my DC bunk in together or use blow up mattresses so people can stay- I guess I’m saying we put ourselves out. I find it hard to understand why the same can’t happen. Again it’s due to Her DH- people don’t stay.

We’ve not seen them for some months, I’m trying to organise a visit.

AIBU to ask her to share the cost of our stay? Hotel? Or train?

Normally I wouldn’t dream of asking when visiting someone but the cost to see them is always met by us. If I didn’t go there then we would never see each other.

OP posts:
Fusioluxe · 28/01/2019 00:53

Now about explaining it works out quite expensive and asking if you could have a few meals at her place to offset some of the cost?

Even if you bought groceries and cooked it would be cheaper.

WhatToDoAboutWailmerGoneRogue · 28/01/2019 01:15

YABU. I don’t like to “squeeze” everyone in my house (nor do I like it being a squeeze when staying at someone else’s house); it’s not comfortable or enjoyable.

You may feel you put yourselves out, but when visitors insist on squeezing us in I would rather be at a hotel down the road. It’s not fun at all.

brizzledrizzle · 28/01/2019 01:22

Are there grounds for being suspicious why he seems to want to separate her from her family

I wondered this too, her DH's behaviour seems a little like a red flag to me. If he is being like this then I suspect any discussion about money will fall on his deaf ears and be refused.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 28/01/2019 01:41

It's difficult. Assuming that (DHs aside), you and she are equally keen to see each other, it makes perfect sense to split the cost of those visits. Even then, you're still giving more - of your time and energy in travelling.

The problem is that it's ingrained to see that the person getting the 'experience' should pay for it, even though the experience is onerous travelling and staying in a hotel because you're far from home rather than for a holiday - and the fact that you're doing it for your combined good. You've had to physically hand over money at the petrol station and the hotel, so it doesn't occur to them to reimburse half of it as they haven't directly incurred any costs.

It's the same principle as when people automatically leave the car driver to pay for petrol on a journey benefiting everybody travelling in the car (or even if the driver is doing a favour by taking somebody somewhere the driver doesn't need/want to go for themselves) - and then also pay for the parking (airport drop-offs in particular can cause real ill-feeling here). Unless it's a really big trip or a regular thing, the driver feels awkward asking for an equal share of the petrol as everybody assumes that, for the privilege of doing the driving and having to run and maintain the car, they should also pick up the whole fuel bill.

Somebody I know (very much an adult) was driven by her DF to a shopping centre with a time-limited free car park (no option to pay for any extra time). He gave up his time and only went to take her, having no interest in shopping himself. She didn't watch the time and spent too long, so they overstayed, and he got whacked with a huge parking penalty. His bill, of course, though, as it was his car....

I think the only solution is to establish for sure with her that you both and your kids are equally eager to see each other and, assuming that is the case, negotiate by stealth.

Ask if you can meet halfway, as it costs you a lot in petrol and you always end up having to pay for fuel for the whole journey. Point out that petrol will then only cost each of you £XX rather than you alone having to pay £XXX.

When she says she/the kids can't do that, spell it out and say that you don't mind having to do all the driving and staying overnight away from your own home, but in total, it costs you £xxx every time you get together, which is a lot to have to pay. Kindly say that the cost as well as the travelling all falls on to you, even though you both love getting together, which doesn't really seem fair (or sustainable) - so does she have any suggestions how you can manage to continue meeting as frequently?

Maybe she currently sees it that you all get to have a lovely family mini-break (whilst they're just stuck at home) and, as an added bonus to your little holiday, you also get to spend time with them, which costs them relatively little money for food and drink for you all. It might be a silly question, but does she clearly understand that the sole reason you're travelling and paying for the hotel is to see them and because they can't/won't ?

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 28/01/2019 01:47

Is where they live her DH's home town? Do his family all live nearby? Is he ignoring the (possible) fact that she uprooted herself and moved away so that he didn't have to and forgetting that she's a person too, who also likes to see her family?

PyongyangKipperbang · 28/01/2019 01:55

I would be more concerned about who she is married to than travel arrangements to be honest....

SalemtheBIackCat · 28/01/2019 02:11

I'm wondering why you haven't just asked your sister what is up with her husband? Just have a sit down together, coffee and a chat, and say something like you've noticed her husband doesn't seem to like spending time with you or your family, ask her if there is something you've done to offend him (I doubt you have, just that it is conversation starter), and see what she says/how she reacts and go from there. I think that you really do need to have a discussion with her about him and his behaviour as it is really making things very hard for you and your family.

I also wonder if you both use Facebook and/or Skype? With skype you can actually talk and see each other at the same time, it's not the same as being there, I know, but it's better than nothing.

I wouldn't ask her for any money though, not at least until you've found out what the deal is with her husband going forward. Then you can go from there.

Vixxxy · 28/01/2019 02:44

YABU I think, but I understand why.

NicolaStart · 28/01/2019 02:48

She seems to be controlled by a series of her DH’s rules and preferences. He sounds as if he has issues atbthe very least.

I would suck up tne cost, male sure you get alone time with her and check she is OK. Depending on what happens you can make a different arrangement for next time .

CurlyWurlyTwirly · 28/01/2019 02:49

I’m another one who thought it was a red flag that the husband will not come and visit.
However he didn’t stop her from coming prechildren.
I don’t think yabu to want to share the costs but ywbu tomask.

Can you not do without your DH and take a coach, then your DS is can at least pick you up the other end and as pp said bunk up together?

cushioncuddle · 28/01/2019 03:40

Does your S want to see you ?
There's a lot of excuses.

HeronLanyon · 28/01/2019 03:49

I don’t think you can ask her to share costs. In a perfect world you could but thenpossible fallout with sibling (and her dh would know about it I guess) makes it just not worth the risk. Sounds as though dh may be controlling or simply have some ocd issues - in my family there is someone who could not stay easily at all in someone else’s house but is a great socialiser and so always simply stays in hotel (problematic also) or sucks up long drives.
If it were me I would for sure be picking up your incidental costs - lunches out, outings etc when you come to ‘stay’ in hotel !!!

Shoxfordian · 28/01/2019 05:54

Her husband seems difficult.

I don't think you can ask her to split the costs either but you could try just meeting her, you don't need to bring all the kids all the time.

NicolaStart · 28/01/2019 06:22

Suggest she brings the kids on the train to see you.

Suggest that you change tribute to tne rail fare.

That would be cheaper than you all going on a hotel plus your petrol.

Belleende · 28/01/2019 06:27

My sister lives somewhere where it is hideously expensive for hotels /air b&b. We live in a small house in lovely town with a great premier Inn. I have 2 small children, hers are 10.
So she comes here, she pays for the flights and I pay for the hotel. If you want to see family you find a way to make it work. Thing is you have to want to see family...

Oblomov19 · 28/01/2019 06:48

No. I wouldn't ask £. Unfortunately this is the cost of seeing your sister.
And I'm not even sure what talking about it achieve. She must know!

Tobermory · 28/01/2019 07:12

I went to bed and came back to loads of responses

@Kitsandkids their DC doesn’t get travel sixk. He is 2 and cries a lot in the car.

@NoSquirrels over the past three or four years the majority of my visits have been just me and my DC. We had massive ‘discussions’ last time about us staying in their room. Eventually the DH caved and said we could but I think there were many arguments.

@oblomov well yes... she must know. It makes me really sad. We have no other family me and her and I’m sad that her DH makes things difficult. We Skyped yesterday and she made ‘when will we see you’ suggestions so I know she wants to and wants her DC to have connections with family.

@Heronlanyon yes to issues. Definitely.

I’m going to have a chat with her tonight. About potential visit and the cost and about her DH. We have spoken about him before, I know they have had arguments in the past about visits and his attitude to us.

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Horsemenoftheaclopalypse · 28/01/2019 07:28

What about taking summer holidays/vacations together? Ie both paying for accommodation in shared villa / airbnb

It doesnt solve the visiting problem but would be a way to spend time together.

anniehm · 28/01/2019 07:29

Why don't you explain the cost of the travel and hotel is a lot, and see if she suggests staying. That said just booked a premier inn for £35 to save me "bunking in" at my friends house - might be worth looking near her to see if there's any bargains to be had.

Talk to her and let her know that you are always there for her - it does sound like her dh could be a bit controlling but equally he could just be introverted and not liking people invading his space

ForgivenessIsDivine · 28/01/2019 07:30

My sister and I are close but we have had tricky times. Our husbands are both nice but are less invested in our relationship than we are and both have more distant relationships with their siblings. Her eldest child is 16 and mine is 14 so we have been on this journey for a while. We live far apart and she doesn't like to travel much and has less disposable income than us. We have done combinations of holidaying together, whole families, just mums and children, our house, their house where they sort alternative accommodation for us (their's is too small for us all), we pay for their travel and they come to us, we travel to them by train and they sort a car for us to use when we arrive. We try to place the burden where it can best be borne and then relieve it in another way.. if that makes sense. It is a relationship we work hard at and both have to tread carefully at times and most probably both bite our tongues more than we used to as we see both sides better.

Horsemenoftheaclopalypse · 28/01/2019 07:30

Also realistically she could come visit you solo. I’d ask why this isn’t an option / if shed consider it when you speak

evaperonspoodle · 28/01/2019 07:45

I don't think you can ask either OP. Are you more invested in your relationship than she is?

evaperonspoodle · 28/01/2019 07:51

OP I wouldn't be having a discussion with her about her husband. You know he doesn't want you staying in the house and so does she; you insisting on bringing the matter up is not going to make matters easier. The next time she asks when you are coming just make it clear that finances do not permit.

NicolaStart · 28/01/2019 08:56

A 300 mile drive with a 2 year old is not insignificant.
I would have gone in the train with kids that age.

Holidayshopping · 28/01/2019 09:02

she made ‘when will we see you’ suggestions so I know she wants to and wants her DC to have connections with family.

Say-I would love to, but visiting is just so expensive if we can’t stay with you. Hotels plus the travel costs are so high.

Then see what she says.