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Advice on colleague

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Mrsrockwell · 26/01/2019 23:48

Namechanged for this... long post!

I have a colleague, let’s call her Judy, who has been at the place where I work for about 20 years. I joined 4 years ago.

She had a massive role, and was struggling to keep on top of all aspects of it, so a section of it was given to me a couple of years ago. Let’s say she runs 3 departments and I run 2. We have other areas which we run separately which don’t overlap.

The 5 departments should really run together with similar structures and aims. However, Judy has a totally different approach from me, and also extremely long-winded paper systems and refuses to change them. As one example, I’ve found a way of doing something electronically on my own in about 45 minutes that she likes to do with 4 others over 2 hours, using about 800 pieces of paper to cross-reference. When I suggested this method to her she said she preferred to do it the paper way and it had always worked fine for her. No problem - I’m not remotely bothered I just thought it would save her time.

Another example was asking her about how a particular system works which affects all 5 departments, because it seemed to me that there were quite a few loopholes. Again she said to me that it had always worked fine, no need to change anything. I didn’t press her on this but did find a way of streamlining it slightly.

I know she is really annoyed that I have this job as she didn’t want to give up any part of what she did. She basically told me this and how it was her favourite part of the job (I know it wasnt because she could choose what she wanted to give away). Anyway.

So my two areas are running really really well with a few new systems in place, and I’ve been pleased. Our boss (we share the same boss) has also been really pleased but has been asking me about how well I feel I communicate with Judy, and wondering how Judy could do a few things in a similar way to me. It’s not just the systems, it’s also what we spend our time on.

Judy categorically won’t budge on anything and is very slow to respond to requests for info or to share what her plans are until the last minute (if at all). This creates a lot of tension across some department leads.

Last week she was meant to turn up for a presentation but didn’t - she got caught up in something.

I have recently created some data across all 5 departments and shared this with department leads. Our boss has said that he thinks Judy feels a bit threatened because really she should be producing this kind of thing (but doesn’t). He’s been asking me what my ideas are to improve communication, and reiterating that I am not doing anything wrong, but my efficiency and work rate are very high and that this is possibly exposing Judy (he didn’t say this in exactly those words but this is what he meant).

Does anyone have any advice on what I could do? My instinct is to keep out of her way and to run things as best I can with my 2 departments because whenever I share ideas with her they are ignored or rejected. She shares nothing back. I could also slow down or not share across the 5 departments but it seems a bit churlish if I’m doing it for my own and it’s helpful to others. But I’m keen not to create a problem. Judy has been there many years, a lot of what she does is great and I really like her as a person. Am I doing something wrong do you think? If so what do I need to change?

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Mrsrockwell · 27/01/2019 10:10

Random

Thank you - yes that’s a really good idea. And it is professional development.

I think the main thing is to be more considerate of Judy’s feelings and try to always run things by her. I suppose my anxiety is that she would just block or say no to everything and this would split us farther apart.

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Mrsrockwell · 27/01/2019 10:11

sack - sorry misread that.

Yes you’re right.

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Mrsrockwell · 27/01/2019 10:12

Lin yes I do agree but that’s not really how he does things. It’s always more discussion based and collaborative I would say.

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sackrifice · 27/01/2019 10:15

I do agree but that’s not really how he does things. It’s always more discussion based and collaborative I would say

How is it collaborative when he is telling you to slow down so as not to upset her?

He needs to start managing her. If he is scared of her then it isn't your problem.

Also you need to see her first thing tomorrow and find out what time she will be presenting to your team as last week you had to cover for her. If she does it again then you need to raise it with your manager.

Mrsrockwell · 27/01/2019 10:22

sack yes I will definitely be seeing her first thing - I do NOT want to be in that position again.

I will say to her how we were expecting her last Monday and see what she says. I guess she could have forgotten. Everyone is very “nice” and “respectful” where I work so I expect she will laugh it off as a little thing. If it happened the other way round she would just muddle through and wouldn’t make a fuss in the slightest.

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IrenetheQuaint · 27/01/2019 10:22

I think your boss IS a bit of a wet lettuce, actually. A collaborative approach is great when it works (most of the time IME), but occasionally as a manager you have to put your foot down.

Re your middle layer: "They will know exactly what the problem is and might be able to be more direct with me than Boss is, or have good advice. But I don’t want it to become a Massive Thing."

It already is a massive thing and I bet they spend ages discussing it. I don't see what harm you could do by going to one of them and asking if they have any tips for working more effectively with Judy. They would probably be delighted.

Mrsrockwell · 27/01/2019 10:23

sack I’m not sure he’s scared of her as such but she is quite a “force” I’d say.

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Weezol · 27/01/2019 10:24

The more you say about your boss, the wetter and weedier he sounds.

He's allowing Judy to disrupt the productivity of other teams by wasting their time. I have no doubt she's always 'flying around' - she sounds disorganised at the very least.

Performance Busyness is a common tactic of the unproductive - as long as they look busy, everyone will think they are busy.

Mrsrockwell · 27/01/2019 10:32

She works incredibly long hours - far more than me.

The thing is, I can’t change her and I can’t change my Boss, and really I don’t think he is at all weedy but I appreciate that’s how it’s coming across. But I can make steps to change myself and my own approach and that’s what I will need to do.

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RandomMess · 27/01/2019 10:55

If she says a flat out "no" then ask her why, what are her reasons? Remind her that boss is insisting you both work collaboratively and you need to understand why she is discounting your ideas...

DingDongDenny · 27/01/2019 10:56

I have very little sympathy for Judy, I think she is territorial, defensive and the reason why she is always running around like a headless chicken is because she is inefficient

I say this as someone who has also worked for over 20 years in the same field. I'm not the best at some areas of new technology, although I try to keep up. But what I always do is embrace and welcome new people who bring these skills to the organisation. It would be easy to feel threatened by people who do things differently and better, but I know they also respect areas of work where my experience is particularly valuable

Judy is letting down the staff in her team and the organisation by being resistant to change and it sounds like she bullied the team member who she said was terrible and who you rate highly

I wouldn't trust her, no matter how nice she is to your face, I'd cover my back and leave it to the bosses to sort out the system and communication issues which are of her making.

Mrsrockwell · 27/01/2019 10:57

I think she’d say “it’s always worked perfectly well the way it’s always been done”. I’m not trying to block your suggestion though (I’m not Judy!)

I’ll talk to her tomorrow about the meeting and see where we go from there.

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RandomMess · 27/01/2019 11:38

But your counter point can always be "but technology has moved on so far so it's always worth reviewing things, it can free up time to add value to what we produce" with a big smile?

Or "Just because something works doesn't mean there isn a more efficient way, always worth looking at things through a different perspective"

Mrsrockwell · 27/01/2019 11:41

Yes that’s worth a try. I’m just wary of not making her feel more “threatened” than she apparently already is.

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Mrsrockwell · 27/01/2019 11:43

I’m also in a dilemma as to whether or not to discuss with the layer in between me and the Boss. They would be more direct than him about it all in terms of advice. But then it does make it into a Bigger Thing than it needs to be.

I wonder if a regular meeting to share ideas and update might be a good idea. I do feel Judy would be “too busy today” or very late or have to dash out mid way and that might aggravate things. But it could be a way forward.

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RandomMess · 27/01/2019 11:54

How about the angle "if we could work together to make it more time efficient with all this improved technology so we could add value by producing more timely/better information that would present us in such a great light"

RandomMess · 27/01/2019 12:03

You could also say how it would be great for identifying training and development for staff?

Mrsrockwell · 27/01/2019 12:33

I will definitely try that. Surely for the good of the entire area it would help.

I’m really grateful for your (and everyone’s) suggestions and advice.

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RandomMess · 27/01/2019 12:45

You need to hard sell Wink lust all the things she can gain from it and make her look good!

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