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WIBU to write to my parents’ neighbours? (Parking!)

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DollyWilde · 23/01/2019 09:58

Very happy to hear the mumsnet view on this, as I’m unsure whether it’s the right thing to do. If it needs a diagram I can provide one later Wink

DM and DF (early 60s/late 50s, so not old!) live in a cul-de-sac in a house they moved into 15 years ago, when I was a teenager. There’s 4 houses at their end of the close, making up a pentagon with entrance to the close being the fifth side. They’ve never had any issues with the neighbours before, they tend to just keep themselves to themselves. I now live 1.5hrs away with DH.

DDad has MS which was diagnosed when I was in my teens and is now quite advanced. They’ve always been ‘grit your teeth and get on with it’ types so while DM is Dad’s carer, she is still working part time. She’s out of the house 10am - 4pm, during which time Dad is generally confined to his motorised armchair in the front room. He passes his days now snoozing and watching the cricket with a thermos of tea, and while it’s a pretty lonely and sad existence he’s learned to cope with his world being small. He can’t go outside without a lot of help and generally he only leaves his armchair once or twice during the day in order to go to the toilet or eat a sandwich mum leaves out for him.

About a year ago the neighbours to one side of them moved and another family moved in. I’ve never spoken to them directly but they seem nice enough - youngish, school age kids. They park their car in front of their garage and that is fine, it’s their land, no issues at all.

The problem has arisen as they have a regular guest who comes over a few times a week (think it is a family member). Our old neighbours used to fit two cars side by side on their drive but new neighbours don’t want to do this, their car’s bigger, they’ve got car seats to fit, totally fair. So they park the guest’s car directly behind theirs, poking out into the middle of the pentagon of the close, which is directly in front of the window into my parents’ front room.

Before anyone asks I don’t know whether they are legally allowed to park there, that’s not really the issue at hand. The problem is that if they park there when the sun is shining, sunlight bounces directly onto the second car and straight into my dad’s eyes sat in his chair. It sounds incredibly petty but it’s really affecting his quality of life.

If my dad were able bodied he could get up and pull the curtain, but then if he was able bodied he probably wouldn’t have to spend 30 hours a week stuck in an armchair Sad There’s nowhere else in the house that’s comfortable for him to sit for longer than it takes to have a meal, as he needs the mechanism of the chair to stand up so can’t sit on the sofa.

This has been an issue for a while and there are a lot of areas along the cul de sac that would be fine for this guest to park. However, in typical ‘grit your teeth and get on with it’ fashion they’ve mentioned it in passing but not pushed the issue (which is when the neighbours have said about not wanting to park the cars side by side). Stupidly, this week my dad decided to try and get to the door and speak to the guest who was parking up and ask her to move. As he can’t get outside without help this involved calling to her from the front door and now they have accused my dad of shouting at their guest, which tbf he probably did, albeit only because he couldn’t leave the house.

I totally accept that my dad is a grumpy old git, I’ve known him all my life and he always has been tbh, although obviously the frustration of being a once fit and healthy man who is essentially housebound and lost a lot of dignity has obviously made it worse.

They’re proposing to have a conversation about it over the weekend and I’m hoping that if my (much calmer!) mum is there it can be resolved. However, I’ve been wondering whether I should drop the neighbours a line. I’ve got no reason to assume they’re unreasonable people and I can understand why they’re a bit peeved at dad shouting to ask them to move. But what I don’t think they yet understand is that by making a tiny change and parking maybe 25m away, they would make a huge difference to my dad’s pretty miserable life. Dad has been asking me to pull up Land Registry boundary documents off the net for the conversation and I’m not optimistic that it is going to go well. I think he’s going to try and make it into a matter of legality when in fact it’s far more simple, it’s about an act of kindness they could do for him so as to make his (and my poor long suffering mum’s) life easier. I worry that if the meeting goes badly at the weekend they’ll be disinclined to be that kind to dad and as a result it’ll escalate.

The flip argument here is that I’m meddling, shouldn’t get involved and I’m just doing it because I feel guilty I can’t do more to help them out being so far away. I think these neighbours are decent people and I’d like them to understand but there is of course a very real risk that in sending a letter I could easily make it worse.

Mum is talking about electric blinds and things but they really can’t afford to be spending money on that sort of thing, and besides that would mean dad having to sit alone in a chair but in the dark as well Sad. I know they shouldn’t have to park elsewhere just to please my dad (I’ve been on mumsnet long enough to agree that unless you own the land you have to accept people may park there!!) but at the same time the idea of having to spend a couple of hours 3 times a week with the sun shining directly into your eyes and no way of stopping it is pretty crap.

Any thoughts would be welcome, I’m really unsure whether to say anything or stay well out of it.

OP posts:
DollyWilde · 23/01/2019 09:59

Bloody hell. Sorry for the essay.

OP posts:
BreakYourselfAgainstMyStones · 23/01/2019 10:04

Would it not be easier to move the living room around slightly so he sits in a different position?

I don't think you should write to them tbh, it might be easier for your parents to show them the issue if it's not possible to move things around.

TheOneAnd · 23/01/2019 10:07

Knock on the door and talk to them? It someone asked this of me I'd do whatever I could to make your Dad's life as comfortable as I could.

I suspect it's also a transient issue due to positioning of the sun at certain times of year.

I have to draw the blind in my garden office only during Spring and Autumn when the sun is low and it's not for very long.

NorthEndGal · 23/01/2019 10:10

Honestly, it sounds like it will get way worse , before it gets better. I'd move his chair slightly, or add nets, or get him sunglasses

DollyWilde · 23/01/2019 10:11

BreakYourself Unfortunately it's a long narrow room so a re-jig probably wouldn't work - even if we could I think it would have to wait until DH and I were next down as I'm not sure my mum would be able to move eg bookshelves without help.

TheOneAnd Agree it's a transient issue which is why I'm so keen they don't burn their bridges with the neighbours over it Smile Unfortunately I'm not able to get down there for a couple of weekends or I'd offer to speak to them with my parents. I'm just really nervous it's going to turn acrimonious and that's just more stress for everyone.

Leaning towards staying out but I just feel a bit useless not being able to help them.

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Frostyapples · 23/01/2019 10:11

You can buy window film that clings to the windows that would reduce the glare a lot. Think they sell it in b&q quite cheaply. We have it on our windows at work to reduce the glare from the sun.

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 23/01/2019 10:13

A few years ago our neighbours asked us to park our car somewhere else, and not in front of their windows because the elderly father of one of them liked to sit by the window and watch the road. We did move it, I would hate to think I’m taking someone’s little pleasure away.

So yes, I wouldn’t think YWBU.

Romanov · 23/01/2019 10:15

you could get some alexa/voice controlled curtains if that would help?

Jeezoh · 23/01/2019 10:16

Could you put a net or voile curtain up at the window to stop the glare?

TheOneAnd · 23/01/2019 10:17

Is it your normal default to think the worse of people?
Why do you think it will get acrimonious? You're asking a visitor, not the actual residents.

They'd have to be pretty miserable people to not want to accommodate quite a reasonable request.

NCjustforthisthread · 23/01/2019 10:21

Of course you’re not being unreasonable- why should your father, who is ill and confined to a chair have to move/get sunglasses/shell out for blinds?! Isn’t he suffering enough that now he has to potentially have the rest of his days sat in the dark or using sunglasses becasue a neighbour who is able bodied jistbwants to be difficult? OP - I’m sure the neighbours will understand if you knocked on the door and spoke to them. Good luck.

ChasedByBees · 23/01/2019 10:22

I think if you explained they would have sympathy. It’s worth a shot.

DollyWilde · 23/01/2019 10:23

FrostyApples I'd looked before but only found the stuff that makes the glass look frosty (apt!) - thank you. Have found some that doesn't appear to make it too dark and sent the suggestion to my mum.

TheOneAnd I'm really not assuming the worst of them, the opposite! I just worry that it's going to turn into a conversation about legalities and I'd rather try and say to them that it's about doing a nice thing rather than whether they are legally allowed to park there (which I assume they are)

Nets are a good suggestion but unfortunately my mother is dead set against them Grin I think she'd put them up if it was a worst case but dad loves to watch the birds in the front garden so if at all possible it would be good to find a solution which doesn't obstruct his view of the outside world.

Appreciate the suggestions about work-arounds, I think my parents are a bit over-caught up in this (I am too now probably tbh) so good to have some perspectives from outside the situation Smile

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fenneltea · 23/01/2019 10:24

Fitting vertical blinds that your mother could angle to stop the glare before she goes to work would help. Writing letters to stop someone parking seems way ott.

Walnutwhipster · 23/01/2019 10:26

Remote control blinds if they won't oblige.

chocatoo · 23/01/2019 10:27

Could you suggest that their visitor uses your parents' drive? You could explain that Dad was trying to attract their attention to make that offer.

gamerwidow · 23/01/2019 10:28

If think of you write a letter explaining things exactly as you have here saying you understand they don’t have to but how much it would help if they did then I’m sure this issue could be nipped in the bud right now.
If your parents start down a legal route with boundary drawings etc. It will put the neighbours on the defensive and they’ll dig their heels in because they’ll feel unfairly attacked. If it’s framed as a massive favour they are doing you they will be more receptive to your request.

gamerwidow · 23/01/2019 10:29

Most people will help a neighbour if they can.

Nicebudget · 23/01/2019 10:29

I thinking you write a note just like your op they'd be pretty heartless to say no to that. There must be some help for your poor dad though. Is there no one that could take him out and about during the day? A way to adapt the home so he could go out himself in his wheelchair? Or into the garden on a nice day? If they're skint I'd look into grants etc. If they've got money get an expert round to advise on how to adapt their home.

Nicebudget · 23/01/2019 10:29

@chocotoo good idea potentially

DollyWilde · 23/01/2019 10:29

Writing letters to stop someone parking seems way ott.

Ugh, god, you're right fennel. It's a daft idea isn't it? I really don't know how I've got caught up in this.... I swear it wasn't long ago my parents were promising never to become their parents - I really need to make sure I don't!

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Thesnobbymiddleclassone · 23/01/2019 10:30

I think you can ask, but I doubt anything would change! Like you said to your dad, it's a major issue but to them, it's just someone visiting a couple times a week.

mumsastudent · 23/01/2019 10:30

need diagram but - usually (if understand you right!) it states on your property papers about the ownership& rules on the common access /driveways areas. for instance, there maybe turning areas for cars which look like extensions of the personal driveways but they actually are not, ect & there is usually quite definite rules about parking on the main access strip to -

crimsonlake · 23/01/2019 10:30

If they are nice neighbours they will understand the situation, but I would not send a note, speak in person. Failing that it needs to be some kind of covering on the window, or even a room screen that could be put by the window to obscure the light from the car which your mother could move aside when she gets home.

legolimb · 23/01/2019 10:31

I don't think you should get too involved.

It's up to your parents - and if, as you say, you mum will be there as a calmer influence then there should be no problems.

However if you talk to your parents first and mention some of the points which would be useful for them perhaps that could help? I do that if someone asks for my advice - give them useful phrases or pointers to keep on topic and explain the problem fully without going off on a tangent.

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