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To think it's disgusting the amount of landlords who won't accept DSS?

655 replies

7hup · 22/01/2019 16:23

My friend is 36 and just been kicked out by her boyfriend because she had a mental breakdown and multiple suicide attempts .

She's just been released from hospital and has been given a B&B room as temporary accommodation.

She has to claim universal credit as she is in no fit state to work.

Council said if she can find private housing they will cover her first month's rent/deposit/fees.

No where takes housing benefit.

It's unfair.

There's no council accommodation and no private landlords will accept it.

She's 36. No children. No pets. Doesn't drink. Doesn't smoke. Is quiet and polite. Keeps to herself. Clean and tidy. She just needs a home :(

Its working people too. My Dsis has a kid and can't move out of my mums because she works only 16 hours because of her son so would receive housing benefit. So she can't move either.

Even on Spareroom. Co. UK in our area there are 674 rooms.

ONE takes DSS. And is dou le the price of similar rooms

It's so unfair :(

OP posts:
ivykaty44 · 23/01/2019 20:20

Nicola1 there are landlords who will rent to people on HB but even they are talking about selling up with the new system of UC coming in or decorating and letting to high end renters

Ethel36 · 23/01/2019 20:22

Council used to pay the landlord directly but that's not how it works now. Now the benefits pay the tenant then its up to the tenant to pay the landlord. Since this change, many tenants have not been paying the landlord properly.

ivykaty44 · 23/01/2019 20:29

Ethel have you got the figures on your statements?

Ethel36 · 23/01/2019 20:31

When my sister struggled to find a landlord that would accept benefits. This is what seven of them said as their reason for refusal of benefits tenants.

wannabestressfree · 23/01/2019 20:34

I am in Kent. On the new UC and the rent is paid direct to the housing association..... not to me.

BitchQueen90 · 23/01/2019 20:43

It is hard.

There are a small number of LLs who will accept DSS, mine does. I live in a private rented flat and the landlords are amazing, I was unemployed on income support and they happily accepted me as long as I had a guarantor. I've been here nearly 5 years and have never missed a rent payment although I do work now but I still get a small amount of housing benefit.

ivykaty44 · 23/01/2019 20:52

HB is paid directly to social housing landlords, it’s jyst private landlords that are not paid directly

EssentialHummus · 23/01/2019 21:18

Essentialhummus - I understand the property price is much larger than the ongoing costs per cost BUT it would be a good way of easily ensuring people who ARE LANDLORDS fully understand and are prepared and organised to cover the costs of any ongoing costs - including if the insurance doesn't cover it. Cos we know how those insurance companies just LOVE to pay out no quibble! 😉

It really wouldn't work. The reason that the sort of landlords vilified on this thread become landlords (accidental landlords aside) is because the current model allows for a better return on investment than, say, a savings account. So if you outlaw BTL mortgages - poof, we all vanish. Sounds great, eh? Except that there's not anywhere near enough social housing. Oh, and landlords who might otherwise sell will do their damnedest not to, since they presumably couldn't get finance in future... so supply remains limited. You can guess what effect that tends to have on demand and therefore on price, so not likely to drive owner-occupier levels up. And if you don't allow for financing, you'll find that very few corporations are interested in becoming landlords either, since they can make more money elsewhere. Ooh, more housing shortages! Higher prices! So great for tenants. Oh, and if there are exemptions for corporations - do you reckon they'll take all comers, or will they, in needing to answer to their shareholders, do their best to minimise risk and secure profit by being selective about tenants (you know, like most landlords)?

That's before you get to the practical issue that just because I bought something in cash in 1982 doesn't mean that in 2019 I have a) the funds or b) the inclination to maintain a property to the required standard.

It has nothing at all to do with being "prepared and organised to cover the costs of any ongoing costs". There are lots of things that can be done to drive up standards in rental properties, but this isn't one of them.

elliesm98 · 23/01/2019 21:23

I claim hb but totally see it from a landlords point of view. There is no way I would risk it if I was a landlord

Bumblebee39 · 23/01/2019 21:34

I can see it from the perspective of landlords, and I get it.
I wouldn't risk being able to pay my mortgage or my kids childcare bills etc. If I didn't have to take a bet on a dubious business arrangement (the tenant in this case)

That's why we need to build more social housing
I can't really think of a viable alternative

Business will always be business and while it's admirable to do the "right" thing is it really so "right" if it's basically an unsound investment?

ABitExcessive · 23/01/2019 21:37

To rent a standard 2 bed in my area, you have to be bringing in 40k pa. I got my current house with my exP three years ago, he left pretty sharpish. They let me continue the tenancy without any checks being done (incompetency rather than kindness, AFAIK).

Been paying the bills on time every month without fail. There's some bubbling on the kitchen doors; looks like water damage. But the guy who fitted the kitchen came round last week (when I reported it in September), and said he can't work out how it's happened. Said the estate agents emailed him in September, but never followed it up. I pretty much always have the kitchen windows open, and have the extractor fan on when I cook (though he told me they were watching the pennies when they did the kitchen, so the fan doesn't actually extract much Hmm). He doesn't think I've caused it.

There's also been some flaking to a radiator which looked like damp. My Christmas tree was in the way so I didn't notice it until I took it down, but reported it early Jan when I did. The damp mans come round and said he thinks they'll have to do all sorts of stuff to the wall.

None of this is my fault, I don't think. I reported the issues in a timely fashion. The house is impeccable. I've been a good tenant. There's not been any other issues in three years. But they're putting the fear of god in me.

They either wait 5 months to sort things, or they want to send people round with an hours notice. Not to worry if I'm not in, they'll give these random people a key. I always agree, even though I'm not really comfortable with it. I'm so scared of becoming homeless.

They say the owners want to come next week to look at the kitchen. I said I'd work from home that day so I'd be here. They weren't very happy with that. At first I thought it was because the owners wanted to have a good nose, but now I'm wondering if it's because the estate agents don't want me to tell them that it's them that has caused the delays.

Anyway, I'm on nowhere near 40k (though my wages, tax credits and housing benefit probably equal about 32k), but have no trouble paying my (extortionate rent).

But if I get given notice on this place, I'd have no chance finding somewhere else. I was under MARAC last year (for the most serious and dangerous domestic violence cases), and I had the fire brigade fixing extra fire alarms etc cause me and my DD were at such severe risk, and they still wouldn't consider giving me a council house, so my exP wouldn't know where we lived. They said 5 years ago they'd have given me one that day. But it's just not possible in the current climate. They don't have any.

So I don't earn 40k, though I have a good job, a degree and 4 years of excellent renting history where I've paid £1150pcm rent on time every month), so I have no chance of finding somewhere to live. I'm 25, so this is the whole time I've lived on my own.

I could not get a council house. I lived in a homeless hostel whilst pregnant, and got attacked and my door broken down for a few quid and had to share a bathroom with these theiving violent addicts. I couldn't have my DD in a place like that. Some people there had lived there three years with their kids waiting for somewhere better.

I could move to somewhere cheaper, and I guess I'd have to. But my boss is amazing, my new job is more than I've ever dreamed of, and he's paying for my masters this year. Plus I'm surrounded by family who have my dd a couple of afternoons a week, meaning she's not stuck in childcare 7-6 every day for her whole life.

I'm a young, educated professional who has been an exemplary tenant for years yet I'm sensing in the next couple of months I'm going to get booted out of here, and have no chance of getting anywhere else because I dont earn 40k, and housing benefit isn't considered in the sums anyway.

But I can afford the rent with budgeting, and always have! I'm praying I'll get accepted for shared ownership, and I never have to deal with horrible landlords and estate agents ever again. I can't sleep with the worry.

ivykaty44 · 23/01/2019 21:52

Abitexcessive- thing to do is look on rightmove and see how many properties there are to rent up to the price you’re paying and for the same amount of bedrooms

I’ve had landlords complain to me as now the tide is turning, in my town there are 151, 2 bed flats up to £1150 rent per month for tenancy with at least half already empty. One landlord has had an empty two bed from September to now and it’s still not rented...

Prices are starting to drop
Landlord are starting to worry for various reasons

Burpsandfustles · 23/01/2019 22:00

A bit excessive, that sounds so awful.
Easier to say than do but try not to worry!
You have been paying so your a good bird in hand!
You sound like an amazing mum and your still very young, doing a masters with an amazing future ahead of you

7hup · 23/01/2019 22:49

I feel so deflated.

Have spent the evening trying to find even a house share that will accept Housing benefits and have had zero luck.

Plus the prices are sky high.

My housing association 3 bedroom house is £360 a month

A one bedroom flat around here is £595+ privately

She only gets £440 HB a month. How can she afford it :(

OP posts:
showmeshoyu · 23/01/2019 22:57

Threads like this make me so sad... The fact that our own government allows the insurers to do this, that creates a system where the housing problem is pushed onto private landlords who themselves often feel victimised, and the people who desperately need that housing. A government that privatises everything that's difficult or non-profitable then sits back looking indignant and promising tighter control when the system they created starts to crumble. Then they'll just allow the services or access to them to continue to slide down the pan (c.f. prisons, transport), only for this one they let joe public get in on it and turn against ourselves like rabid dogs snarling at their own reflection as they waltz off to the bank as they run the big consultancies or insurers that benefit from this epic experiment in dehumanization.

tillytrotter1 · 23/01/2019 23:58

after the change, she pocketed the cash & it took a lot of money and time to get her out. So I'm afraid I took a decision; one bad eggs spoiled it for the others.

It should be easier and quicker to get non-paying tenants out, two missed payments should mean out immediately.

caringcarer · 24/01/2019 00:16

I am a LL and have 6 btl houses. They are all let to families with children. We only let our properties to families as 3 bedrooms. I cannot let a property to people with no employment because of clause on my LL insurance which mortgage companies insist of LL having but if I had let a property to a family and the parent lost their job I would not evict them even if rental period came to end I would extend it if they were a good tenant and paid rent on time. I would have to inform insurance company though and probably have to pay a bit extra on premium. I have never had any problem with any of my tenants though. If I had I might be more wary. I do carefully vet tenants though passport check, 2 x salary slips, bank account details and statement, past LL reference or employers reference if first home.

HelenaDove · 24/01/2019 00:26

@Graphista i was going to post similar to you ............that a lot of people affected by problem tenants are OTHER tenants You beat me to it Smile

OccasionallyIncomplet · 24/01/2019 00:51

Former landlord - all the issues I have had from tenants have been DSS. Them having pets when not allowed. No respect for the property or neighbours and of course, the worst of all - not paying. This massively increased a number of years ago when the Government starting paying rent money directly to the tenants (to give to the landlord), rather than direct to the landlord. This caused major issues as many were incapable of managing their finances. So I basically had a choice...

  1. Continue to rent to DSS tenants and maybe have the possibility of continued problems.

  2. Exclude DSS tenants and go with 'professionals' and maybe have the possibility of problems.

The choice was fairly easy...at least with professionals I have a fairly certain act of recourse through the courts if necessary. It's not 100%, but it's way way more than with someone in DSS.

I'm sure it is only a problem minority that ruined it for everyone else, but when it's my livelihood at stake, I make no apologies in making common sense decisions.

Jon65 · 24/01/2019 01:04

Why would I not rent my property to the Op's friend? Where should i start. I don't want to do a tenancy check one day and find her dead. It would be a horrendous experience, time consuming and expensive. If a person cannot be in full time employment, they are in a system where benefits are stopped frequently for persons failure to provide the required evidence for HB. I know because I was one of the people representing them at tribunals. That puts Op's friend from a viable tenant category, to someone who is at very high risk of arrears. I know that because I used to trpresent them in the county court defending possession proceedings. The sad fact is that few people save enough money to cover potential shortfalls in their rent. The reason I won't rent to Op's friend, and others in the same circumstances is because I can't afford to, either from the perspective of my mental health, or financially. Sorry.

Jon65 · 24/01/2019 01:19

@seline
Anyway as DSS mainly affects women and disabled, it may well be in fact, illegal.
Actually you might be surprised that single men are quite often excluded both from private rentals and social housing, particularly the under 25 single men. Women often have other income such as tax credits which tops up their income and with a child or children women have a higher applicable amount, meaning they qualify for more HB. This is why there are a lot of single street homeless men. Even the vast majority of social housing excludes single men because if on benefits their income is too low to pass the HA affordability criteria.

Nat6999 · 24/01/2019 03:20

When I left my husband I tried every local estate agent that advertised properties for private rent as I had been told that even though I had a child I wasn't a high priority to get a council property. There were 56 properties that came within my budget to rent, out of those I only managed to get to view 2 properties because as soon as I mentioned that I was going to claim a small amount of housing benefit, they refused to deal with me. I was employed but disabled & this gave me the right to claim about £25 a week towards my rent, the council's answer when I told them I was homeless was "get a private rent" On viewing the 2 properties that I managed to be deemed fit to rent they were totally unsuitable due to my disability. My son & I spent nearly 6 months sharing a 6' x 8' bedroom at my parents, when we weren't there we were at my new partner's 1 bed flat, my DS had to sleep on the sofa as there wasn't room to put another bed in the bedroom. I tried offering to pay a higher deposit & pay 3 months rent up front but nobody would consider us.

KirstyAllsoppsFatterTwin · 24/01/2019 04:01

KIrstyA because why should people on low incomes and zero hours contracts have another overhaul of a system to suit the employer and landlords

Quite simply because of the problems the OP is highlighting by starting this thread. The issue is that mortgage companies and often LLs don't/won't/can't take tenants in receipt of HB or on benefits because of the higher risk of default and/or damage to the property. Like it or not, if people want that situation to change, we need to make it less risky for them. The way to do that is to make sure the LL is guaranteed to get his rent - or at least the bulk of it, from direct HB payments. Whether it's patronising or infantilising or not, it beside the point really.

Why not tackle the issues at the cause of the problem and get living wages paid with secure employment contracts and more social housing built so that more people can rent a home rather than a house

I completely agree with your second paragraph but that doesn't change my thoughts on the first paragraph.

KirstyAllsoppsFatterTwin · 24/01/2019 04:22

Ethel have you got the figures on your statements?

Why does she need 'figures'? We all know it happens. A great deal. Which is why it's so difficult to access the privately owned rental market.

If you are working and in receipt of HB or living solely on benefits and you are in serious rent arrears and at risk of eviction then you are clearly spending your HB on other things, which is wrong. Even if you have issues with your property you must keep paying your rent while you argue your case. There are agencies to help you if your LL is not fulfilling his/her obligations to you.

How does it help to be able to show exactly how many people are not paying their HB over to the LL in full? Just because someone doesn't present you with an accurate figure doesn't mean you can pretend it doesn't happen. Confused

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