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Crowdfunding for the man who drove his giver into a hotel.

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Toddlerteaplease · 22/01/2019 14:08

AIBU to think that this is ridiculous. Absolutely he should have been paid for the work he's done. But to recklessly drive a digger and smash up a building is a bit of an overreaction. I am amazed to see the support he's getting. And a crowdfunding page has been set up for him. Hmm it's his own fault if he's now made him self unemployable in the future.

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Sparklingbrook · 22/01/2019 15:34

So it's ok because the whoile building didn't collapse?

AlisonW1982 · 22/01/2019 15:40

I sympathize with the man, companies are terrible at handling this sort of thing.

I've been out of pocket for expenses just before a holiday due to IT access issues at my approver... And HR, Finance, no amount of getting more and more vocal over 9+weeks before the hol made a shiny shit of a difference. We had to cancel the holiday because I literally had no spare cash due to the thousands outstanding. This was at a major household name employer.

In my madder moments in the couple of days before I was due to leave I did think about damaging something or stealing something and refusing to give it back (we had high value equipment on the premises) but I calmed down and just billed them for the cancellation costs once it was sorted. Never forgave my manager/head of for not having my back there and it was a direct factor in my leaving within a year.

I remember the power imbalance and whilst I don't condone his actions, big companies bully people. Sometimes this is the result.

WunderBlah · 22/01/2019 16:22

Sometimes this is the result.

I think this is just your average common or garden variety male violence in action. You thought about something non-endangering and did not do it. He thought about it and carried on regardless. The misplaced sense of entitlement shown by this man is astonishing and could have seriously injured or killed people.

Accountant222 · 22/01/2019 19:52

My brother went bust in 2012 because of issues like this.

He had a medium sized commercial tiling company.

The decline started approximately 2008, over the years various Customers went bust on him, a £25k, £12k, £15k, several smaller amounts, so when the final payment of a contract which was £75k didn't come in as promised, there was no where to go but under.

It was an MOD contract for refurbishment of an Army Barracks, so you think your money is guaranteed, but he wasn't the main contractor.

The contract money was overspent, by various high up people having work done on their own property but booking it to the job. Previously when a contract was overspent the government would just accept it and throw more money in, but it was refused on this job. All the end trades ended up going under, Tiler's, Carpet Fitters, Decorator's and Blind fittings.

He went to his MP and various other people, not surprisingly not one person wanted to know and hold an Inquiry in to misappropriation of funds.

It was wrong, very wrong what happened to him.

Accountant222 · 22/01/2019 21:31

@AlisonW1982 your experience is totally and utterly disgusting, it should not have happened, but I have worked at places where similar has occurred.

MyFriendGoo5 · 23/01/2019 01:06

WunderBlah

It was obvious to me this was a man pushed to the brink for whatever reason.

Mumsnet is a funny old place at times, a woman can be pushed to murder her babies due to mental health issues and we all quite rightly will be sympathetic.

But a man having a break down is viewed very differently..........and we wonder why suicide rates in men are so high ? Hmm

By the way, he hasn't been charged. And his family have spoke up for him.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/travelodge-digger-rampage-driver-tried-13894098

HelenaDove · 23/01/2019 01:11

From the Liverpool Echo.

"The family of a man who trashed a hotel with a digger say he had been trying to get mental health treatment for weeks.

Jason Pellegrini, 43, says his cousin, John Manley, is now being treated in hospital for mental health issues after ploughing the plant hire vehicle into a newly built Travelodge on Edge Lane.

Mr Pellegrini said Mr Manley, 35, was sleeping on a relative's couch in Netherton and was desperate after his £600 wages were allegedly not paid on time by sub-contracting firm MF Constructions.

Mobile phone footage, which has since gone viral, showed the digger arm tearing down the ceiling, smashing through the windows and destroying the front desk.

Now Mr Pellegrini says Mr Manley's family is keen to highlight the huge strain on mental health services in Sefton after he struggled to get specialist help

Mr Pellegrini told the ECHO: "He's had a very, very bad life. He's not an angel; we don't want to portray him as an angel...

"We have been trying to get him help but there's such a long waiting list. It's not down to the health care professionals but it's a lack of resources in Sefton.

"We are not condoning what he did at all; someone could have been seriously hurt and he's not a national hero like some people have been making out.

"He is very troubled and it's something when he has had to do what he did to get the kind of help he needs

He told me he does not want any money, he just wants his mates to get paid and he wants to get well."

Mr Pellegrini also denied reports that his cousin had been paid when he trashed the hotel, but had not checked his bank account, saying Mr Manley does not even have an account.

Mr Pellegrini said: "He would ring the GP at 8am when it opens, and there would already be 37 people in the waiting line for an appointment.

"We wanted to get him a to a psychiatrist in Crosby but the waiting list is so long."

He said Mr Manley had experienced a "traumatic" childhood and had worked sporadically.

He told the ECHO: "I know he was technically of no fixed abode and could not claim benefits, so when he didn't work he literally had nothing. He had no money for gas, electric or food.

He had not been paid on the Friday and he was trying to call his boss all weekend. His boss would not answer the phone.

"I think in the end he just snapped. He said to me he would not have done it if he'd had an explanation.

Other constructions workers for MF, who wished to remain anonymous, contacted the ECHO to describe alleged problems with their wages.

One said: "I myself have been left unpaid for £1,100 worth of work while other lads are without even more than that.

"I have been working on that site for three months now and they still haven't paid me. There are around seven of us in the same boat.

The lad who was driving the digger today, he's owed £600 and for all of us that's a lot of money.

"I stand by what my colleague did. We have been getting walked on for months and he done something about it."

Triton Construction, the main contractor for the Travelodge site, said there was no major structural damage.

Michael Parkinson, managing director of Triton, said: "It is our understanding that one of the labourers working for MF Construction, who were employed as the groundworks contractor for the project, had been waiting for his boss to arrive with his wages, which he told other workers on site were overdue.

"It is alleged that the labourer couldn’t track down the owner of MF Construction and he became increasingly frustrated.

At approximately 3.00pm the labourer took it upon himself to drive a small mini excavator through the entrance screen of the hotel and subsequently caused damage to finishes within the reception.

"The labourer then ran from the scene and to our knowledge is being pursued by the police.

Fortunately there appears to be no structural damage so repairs can be undertaken relatively quickly. “

Merseyside Police released a statement this afternoon confirming they had "located" a man as part of the investigation into the incident.

The force said the man would be interviewed, but he is not currently under arrest.

HelenaDove · 23/01/2019 01:28

well his cousin is saying he doesnt even have a bank account.

so someone is lying.

HelenaDove · 23/01/2019 22:41

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/first-picture-digger-rampage-driver-15719494?fbclid=IwAR3C7Qwg35MTOFAnTzLPBewhk0mLyzgf0vL1AhjOLkAjd3hQYzbTgfEeN1Y

"Yesterday his cousin, Jason Pellegrini, 43, revealed Mr Manley had been trying to get specialist mental health treatment for weeks.

Today he re-iterated that rumours circulating in the national media suggesting his cousin had been paid, but had not checked his bank account before the rampage, were false

In a new statement, shared with the ECHO, he said: "I would just like to stress what I stated in my local paper and clear something up.

"John Manley did not get paid on Monday, I know this as he does not have a bank account as he did not have the necessary identification, his wages, when paid, go into a family members' account.

"This was checked on Monday and there was £20 donated by a friend. If, as has been reported, there was an alleged glitch in the system, why would the boss refuse to answer any calls or messages which John left? Should he not explain this to his workers who break their back in a physically demanding job and just want a honest wage?

"We would like to highlight the fact again we do not condone John's actions for the simple fact someone could have been seriously injured or worse; pay disputes can be handled in different ways.

"Potentially if the unions had more power it could be resolved that way, however I doubt that will happen whilst we have the muppets in charge of our country."

HeIenaDove · 26/02/2020 18:24

Hes been jailed for five years and four months.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-51641830

Meanwhile,
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/teen-who-stabbed-schoolboy-yousef-21578146

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