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WIBU to take up vaping?

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MagicNaughty · 17/01/2019 22:21

I think I am a serial addict. In my early 20’s I used to take obscene amounts of cocaine and only stopped when I nearly died. I went cold turkey and have managed to not do it for nearly 12 years now. Every time I wanted a line I’d eat something instead and in the 2 years after I stopped the cocaine I put on 4 stone. Then in my mid 20’s I got addicted to diet pills, constant exercise and calorie counting. When I realised I was getting dangerously skinny I started to have a glass of wine as soon as I got home from work so I’d be unable to exercise. I’m sure you can guess where this is going. After becoming unable to go for more than a couple of days without booze I started taking codeine. It made me feel queasy and not want a drink. I’m now currently weaning myself of the codeine but as soon as dc are in bed I’m getting terrible cravings and am currently climbing the walls.

I can’t do exercise to replace the codeine as I have to be in with the dc in the evenings. I’m eating healthily and not drinking at all but I can feel my willpower cracking. I really, really need to stop the codeine. Luckily I never started smoking as I have seen so many really determined people struggle awfully to give it up. But I’m tempted to start vaping. To me, it feels naughty enough to trick myself into it being a new habit.

Please tell me why this would be a good or bad idea. Also please be gentle, I know I’m a big old fuck up but I really do want to be better than I am.

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Disquieted1 · 17/01/2019 22:25

If you already smoke then vaping is a great idea.
If you don't already smoke then vaping is a terrible idea.

Find a non chemical way to take the edge off.

PregnantSea · 18/01/2019 01:41

Vaping is very bad for you. It isn't healthier than smoking, it just causes a different set of health problems. Look into popcorn lung - that's such an awful way to live out the end of your life.

Can you not speak to someone about your addictions?

BetsyBigNose · 18/01/2019 03:56

I'm an addict too, and I'm in recovery (hooray!) I totally understand how you're feeling; the need to replace one addiction with another. My addiction history looks like this:

Cigarettes
Then cigarettes and alcohol
Cigarettes, alcohol and cannabis
Cigarettes, alcohol, cannabis and food

I started to get panic attacks and 'depersonalisation' when I smoked weed, so moved to:

Cigarettes, alcohol, food and Codeine

At this stage, I was in my early 30's, 18.5 stone, smoking 20 a day, drinking around 30 units and taking 90 Nurofen Plus tablets (1152mg Codeine total) and consuming around 4000 calories daily.

Most of my drinking was done in secret, but once my family became aware of the real amount I was consuming, I started my recovery, which went like this:

Cigarettes, alcohol, food and Codeine
Cigarettes, food and Codeine

Then I became really poorly (it had to happen eventually with all the crap I was putting into my body) with a huge stomach ulcer (from all the Ibuprofen in the Nurofen Plus) and was unable to eat anywhere near as much as I used to, as my stomach had shrunk so much during the period while I was ill. I can no longer take any NSAIDs (like Aspirin, Ibuprofen, Naxproxen etc.) due to the stomach ulcer (I tried once, such is the strength of addiction) and the pain was horrific, like my stomach lining was being rubbed with a cheese grater, so Nurofen Plus was a 'no go' for me, any other OTC Codeine comes with Paracetamol and even I'm not stupid enough (and even my addiction isn't strong enough) to get me to take enough of a Codeine/Paracetamol mix to get a 'high', and obviously I'd spoken to my GP about my addictions and we'd agreed to have a big note on my Medical Records saying I am not to be prescribed Opiates (I once had a GP who used to merrily scribble out a prescription once a week or so for a 30 days' worth of Oramorph, which I'd chew up over 2-3 days, bizarre). So:

Cigarettes and Diet Coke

I was still smoking. One day I felt a little nauseous but when I vomited, up came nearly 2 pints of blood and clots and I fainted. I'd just been for a cigarette, and smoking is one of the worst things you can do with a stomach ulcer, so the cigarettes had to go. Then:

Diet Coke and Nicotine gum

And 5 years on, that's where I still am, and is where I'm planning to stay.

As you can see, cigarettes were the 'longest serving' of my addictions, Nicotine is notoriously one of the hardest drugs to quit - as much so as Opiates, I'd say - especially given that it's an addiction you can use in front of others (for the most part); it's not illegal and you don't have to go around various different Pharmacies to buy them. If you can avoid Nicotine, then do, but if you are set on needing 'something', then I'd say go for the gum. It is expensive, but you need only have 3-5 pieces a day and it'll give you the little buzz you're looking for - particularly as you're not used to Nicotine. Starting to vape now is a bad idea!

As I don't drink coffee, the Diet Coke I drink gives me a little hit and everyone knows it's my drink and so they don't drink any of the bottle I keep in the kitchen, so that helps trick my brain a little; knowing it's my special treat. That along with the Nicotine gum give my body and brain just enough of a little 'thrill' to keep my addiction quiet. Are there some little things like these that work for you?

Another little 'trick' which works on my brain is a really offensive and sweary Metallica song, which I very occasionally put on loudly (when no one else is around, obviously!) and shout and dance madly to it - it's a real endorphin rush for me, but I usually save that one for when I have a pretty intense craving.

Try vaping if you really feel you must, by why add something else you're only going to want to give up eventually? I know you say you have the kids in the evening, but you could do an exercise DVD, or something like Wii Fit.

You've done amazingly well to stay off cocaine, and I admire your determination to stop the Codeine - tapering is definitely the way to go, I had to do cold turkey and it was hell. You don't mention if you get it prescribed or OTC, but either way, you're likely to be saving money by giving up - another little incentive.

When you're in recovery, it can sometimes feel like all the 'fun' things have been taken away from you, but in reality your brain has been incorrectly programmed by the drugs, so you need to ‘reset and reprogramme’ it. So, you need to find ways of getting more enjoyment out of little things, then teaching your brain that these ARE the big things, then eventually, they really will be! I know it sounds twee and cliché, but it's true and it does work. My natural ‘happy’ these days is far happier than my unnatural state of happiness back in my using and drinking days and I never thought I’d be able to say that! (in fact when I stopped drinking, I remember thinking ‘Well that’s it, nothing will ever be fun again’!) Good luck OP, feel free to PM me if you need any support and let us have an update in a few days - you're doing ever so well, keep it up - you CAN do it!

TheCounter · 18/01/2019 04:15

Gaping is nowhere close to as bad as cigarettes.
And popcorn lung is only an issue if you vape sub standard cheap liquids that contain diacetyl.
Easily avoided.
I had a constant cough and noticeable weeze for the last couple of years of smoking. Within six months of switching to vaping both have disappeared.
Tried a cig on a night out last year and it felt like I was sucking on the end of an exhaust pipe.
Ridiculous to compare the two.

proseccoaficionado · 18/01/2019 07:16

I wouldn't say I'm a serial addict or that I've had serious addictions except smoking which I still do but I set up a quit date.

However I feel like I have a terribly addictive personality if that makes sense. For example: I eat for comfort, I reward myself with food and the fact that I'm not obese and I'm only a size 10 might be actually connected to the fact that I have pretty decent genes. Otherwise I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be a size 10.

Diet coke. I can't say I drink litres of it but I can't do without.

Smoking. I don't even know why I smoke but I do and did so for 10 years, actually more.

I wouldn't take up vaping if you can't help it. It isn't healthy by any means. Any chance you can take up some healthy good habits (such as running or gym?) and get "addicted" to those?

Best of luck, OP!

proseccoaficionado · 18/01/2019 07:19

Oh and another example: I've never gambled or anything but on our last holiday we've been to a casino and I gambled €5. Soon they were €10, then €20, then €30, then I've put the whole lot in and lost, at which point I actually wanted to do it again, my DP had to actually tell me "ok, we're leaving". So I'm pretty sure I could get easily addicted to that if I had the chance. So no more casinos for me

Shopping: My heart rate actually raises when I shop (online or actual shops) so I need to be careful with that too

MagicNaughty · 18/01/2019 11:28

betsy I’m in a very similar situation with you with the codeine. Except I got stomach ulcers and realised if I take enough omeprazole I can still take Nurofen Plus. I got to the point where I was regularly vomiting blood and I’m now cutting right down, every time I’ve tried to cut off completely I get a fever and stomach cramps and just can’t function. But I can feel myself craving something. Tbh I’m nowhere near well enough to consider trying to exercise atm. I’m eating a lot more healthily which is helping but I need to completely cut the codeine before I do proper workouts.

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bert3400 · 18/01/2019 11:46

OP please don't start Vaping if you have never smoked . I think you need to start some sort of hobby that you can complete at home while the DC are in bed. I have always fancied getting a potters wheel and throwing clay or painting, but I am hopeless at drawing, is there something you fancy doing ?

PregnantSea - Vaping has been shown to be a lot less harmful than smoking . Where is you evidence for 'Popcorn Lung' . Cancer research released a comprehensive investigation into smoking v vaping

www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/smoking-and-cancer/are-e-cigarettes-harmful

& The British Heart Foundation -
www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/behind-the-headlines/e-cigarettes-rcp-report.

I would be interested in your evidence

MagicNaughty · 18/01/2019 12:35

I’m not arty at all and any kind of arty hobby is my idea of hell unfortunately. I’m trying really hard to do some meditation and mindfulness once dc are in bed. I’m struggling because I think I can only really enjoy myself if I know deep down it’s bad for me (which sounds bonkers, I know).

I’ve considered having some form of counselling but I do worry that I’m a bit beyond normal levels of crazy. I also worry that I’m going to uncover the root of all my issues and end up going completely off the rails.

Is there anything else I can try and convince myself is a bad habit but won’t actually do me any (or much) harm? CBD oil or something? You can’t get high on that can you?

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Iooselipssinkships · 18/01/2019 12:47

OP I've been heavily addicted to codeine. I was taking up to 90 Nurofen Plus a day after an abusive relationship and subsequent trial in Crown Court. At one point I even learnt how to extract it from paracetamol. It was bad. I was in deep.
I ended up referring to a local drugs detox organisation and I now take a substitute called Buprenorphine. This stops me from touching opiates and staying out of withdrawals. It's been 2 years now.
I know this doesn't answer your original question but thought this might help if you really find yourself struggling with tapering and coming off codeine.
Like a previous poster I then started smoking weed until I started having panic attacks, which in itself was a saving grace. So I too understand that addictive personality and almost 'needing' something to be hooked on. Perhaps as soon as DC are in bed stick on an exercise DVD? That too can become an addiction, but it's much more healthy.
Good luck to you OP. And if you do decide to vape use a 0% nicotine e-liquid.

Cherries101 · 18/01/2019 12:50

I think you need CBT to deal with your addiction issues before anything.

TheCounter · 18/01/2019 12:52

It's very easy to get misinformation on the harmful effects of vaping.
There's been quite a few respected academics that have had their reputations trashed as a result of releasing very suspicious results on the effects when it subsequently transpired that they had been getting 'sponsored' by various tobacco companies to promote the idea that vaping is comparable to smoking and in many instances worse.
The European Union was just as guilty when they hired a consultation group to explore the effects which incidentally involved many of the tobacco heavyweights that resulted in them classifying nicotine as tobacco and introducing a heap of regulations to try and squeeze the small vendors out the industry and reinstate the tobacco 'barons' dominance of the vaping market that they had dipped their toe into.
Not that id ever advocate taking it up if it's not for any other reason than to try and stop smoking because it's never a good idea to subject your lungs to anything other than fresh air but I just thought I'd point this out for anyone thinking that replacing smoking with vaping is a bad idea healthwise.

PlumpSyrianHamster · 18/01/2019 12:54

No idea why you'd vape if you've never smoked.

OutPinked · 18/01/2019 12:55

They can’t possibly know how bad vaping is yet because it simply hasn’t been around long enough. It’s not a risk I would take, especially if I’d never smoked.

You can exercise at home very easily, I used to do it all of the time to lose weight and it worked very well. There’s so many good YouTube videos including 30 day shred, HIIT workouts, yoga etc.

Agreed you need CBT.

MagicNaughty · 18/01/2019 14:17

Exercise really isn’t an option at the moment due to my health - stomach ulcers and severe anemia). I hadn’t considered CBT, I’ve just found a few videos on YouTube that I’m going to have a watch of now,. Thanks everyone for advice.

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BadlyAgedMemes · 18/01/2019 14:39

I'm currently quitting vaping, and it's a pain in the arse. I've been using the lowest nicotine juice my local vape shop sells, but it's still 3mg/ml, and as I'd developed vaping into quite a constant habit (while not in company of others), I'm actually having a bit of a bad time without it, and had to buy some nicotine replacement lozenges to stay sane yesterday.

I love vaping, and that's why I wish I'd never started it. I was already an ex smoker, but having a very stressful time and suddenly craving cigarettes like mad, when I thought I'd give vaping a try. It hasn't been as bad as smoking for me (I quit smoking because of adult onset asthma), but with time it has had a slight worsening effect on my asthma, and it's also not as cheap as I'd imagined it to be. Cheapest juices were disgusting, cheap mods break all the time, coils burning left and right and needing replacing...

Good luck with trying CBT. I'm going to try to remind myself of some of those techniques!

Ginghampanther · 18/01/2019 14:57

I’m pretty sure you can get cbd oil e-liquids, and you can definitely get nicotine free e-liquids, so that may be an option?

PlumpSyrianHamster · 18/01/2019 15:55

I’m pretty sure you can get cbd oil e-liquids

You can! I use takemypainaway.co.uk, but honestly, I think vaping is a bad idea as an acquired habit and not a means to stop or cut down on smoking. I got my vape to stop smoking.

TheCounter · 18/01/2019 18:25

I make my own. Cheap as chips at Everythingliquid.co.uk
50ml flavour concentrated starting at £4 add a bottle of pg and vg and you've got enough to last months (sorry for the hijack)

Bambamber · 18/01/2019 18:33

The problem is you are just replacing one addiction with another. What will be after vaping? Then after that?

You need some help to overcome your addiction, not just keep replacing it with a different addiction

MagicNaughty · 18/01/2019 19:01

I know it would just be replacing one addiction with another. But, although it’s obviously not great, vaping is a massive improvement on numbing myself with codeine.

I can’t ever imagine a point in my life when I’m totally addiction free.

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Keepit · 18/01/2019 19:05

As someone also with an addictive personality who has smoked, drunk too much and abused Codeine, I can say for me vaping is brilliant. It curbs my addictive urges. I only use codeine for genuine pain now, drink far less, don’t smoke at all and can vape whenever I need too, it’s far cheaper than all the others and at 95% safer then smoking I’m not too concerned.

ehohtinkywinky · 18/01/2019 19:09

I really think CBT could help you break this cycle of behaviour. Find someone qualified though and go to in person sessions. It could be life changing, to give you coping mechanisms

WiddlinDiddlin · 18/01/2019 19:20

I love vaping and its replaced my smoking habit..

You can vape without nicotine so if you must, I'd do that.

Go to a good vape shop, get the good gear and nice juices and just dont add nicotine, simples.