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To be miffed at school for telling DS Jesus loves him

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wwdorado · 11/01/2019 20:45

DS is 5 and started reception at an infant school that is not (officially??) affiliated with the church.
Obviously I understand that this is a Christian county and they do the Lord's Prayer/grace etc learn about religion (s) but since starting school he has started talking about Jesus and God. All the time. He says he loves god and Jesus and that Jesus loves him.
Someone must be telling him this?
Is this normal?
We are both just WTF - both of us not religious in the slightest.

Someone tell me it's just a phase?

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Zintox · 11/01/2019 22:22

DoneLikeAKipper just to clarify, there aren’t any consequences for not following Christian values. Being a Christian is all about having a relationship with God. That’s the only criteria for going to heaven. Of course it’s desirable to behave well but that’s not what going to heaven is based on per se.
However repeated sin does get in the way of our relationship with God.

DoneLikeAKipper · 11/01/2019 22:31

DoneLikeAKipper just to clarify, there aren’t any consequences for not following Christian values

I severely disagree. The lore itself says that there are terrible consequences for not abiding by that certain god’s will, and real history has shown awful results of ‘follow Christianity or else’.

BarbarianMum

I said people know the difference, I didn’t suggest many abided by it. Religion didn’t invent morality, it merely uses human values for its own means and agenda.

Valanice1989 · 11/01/2019 22:56

I think that the Christian values are a great thing to teach children just in terms of the way they should be acting.

I disagree - I don't believe women should be submissive to men, gays should be tortured in hell, etc. I know the school won't be teaching kids that side of things at such a young age, but by telling them that the Bible is the work of God they're pointing them in that direction.

gokartdillydilly · 11/01/2019 23:15

When a local Baptist Church rep went into my daughter's church affiliated school she asked if anyone didn't believe in God. My daughter, aged about 8 at the time, put her hand up with perhaps one or two others, to be told "You'll be going to hell then". How I wished she'd told me at the time and not left it til she left. I'd think I'd have been slightly less cross if she'd been told that Jesus loved her.

WH1SPERS · 11/01/2019 23:18

I have a sneaky feeling that if a Christian had posted that their 5 year old was coming home from school saying "Allah loves him " and asking for a Koran for Xmas, your response might have been slightly different

Yes my response would be completely different, because The OPs child isn’t Muslim and the Qur’an doesn’t teach that Allah loves non Muslims.

So Id wonder who is the school’s Islamic teacher is.

The Qur’an teaches that Allah loves those who do good deeds (2:195), those who are pure (2:222), those who are righteous (9:7), and those who fight in his cause (61:4).

The Qur’an is equally clear that Allah has no love for transgressors (2:190), ungrateful sinners (2:276), the unjust (3:57), or the proud (4:36), and that Allah does not love non-Muslims.

Qur’an 3:31-32—Say [O Muhammad]: If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers.

Qur’an 30:43-45—Then turn thy face straight to the right religion before there come from Allah the day which cannot be averted; on that day they shall become separated. Whoever disbelieves, he shall be responsible for his disbelief, and whoever does good, they prepare (good) for their own souls, that He may reward those who believe and do good out of His grace; surely He does not love the unbelievers.

TwitToWoo · 11/01/2019 23:28

I would seriously suggest, WH1SPERS that you avoid going down the “Christianity is better than Islam” route because you’ll just end up embarrassing yourself.

Your Bible is no more moral than the Koran & Allah is no more murderous than Yahweh.

BarbarianMum · 11/01/2019 23:32

Well that's kind of the point of teligion Kipper. To make you do what is right.

onlylonely · 11/01/2019 23:36

Well apart from the fact that Christians aren’t blowing each other up, for being “the wrong sort of Christians”.

Wearywithteens · 11/01/2019 23:47

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brexitsmexit · 11/01/2019 23:48

These threads drive me absolutely bunkers - I don't know why I read them but:
Presumably you were brought up in the uk
The UK is a Christian Country with the Queen as head of state and head of the Church of England
You went to school in the UK, attended assembly took part in Religious Education but have grown up and decided that the Church isn't for you and you don't believe.
Why are you worried that your child going through exactly the same religious education will be indoctrinated?

onlylonely · 11/01/2019 23:49

How i wish more children were taught about God and Jesus Christ.

Now we have out of control kids with zero respect for their teachers and fellow pupils. Atrocious behaviour, in and out of the school, and it’s getting worse.....Do away with Christianity and the decline will continue...........and no, learning about God isn’t blackmail to make our kids behave, but something has gone seriously wrong, and i blame a lot of it on the lack of any Christian values and teaching. I’m now leaving this thread before it turns into the usual good old Christian bashing as is the norm.

elephantinstripeysocks · 11/01/2019 23:52

@onlylonely Well apart from the fact that Christians aren’t blowing each other up, for being “the wrong sort of Christians”.

im christian and i lived in ireland until i was 9 and we were forced over to england...by other christians who thought we were "the wrong sort of christians"....who were blowing things up. this was less than 40 years ago.

Wearywithteens · 11/01/2019 23:58

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JassyRadlett · 11/01/2019 23:59

Well apart from the fact that Christians aren’t blowing each other up, for being “the wrong sort of Christians”.

In this country. At the moment.

Oswin · 12/01/2019 00:00

Only lonely well that's bullshit isn't it. In recent memory Christians have killed each other for being the wrong sort. Why should it be your god taught. Keep your religious brainwashing away from children.

Valanice1989 · 12/01/2019 00:01

That makes me very sad that you think that those are genuinely Christian beliefs. This is why we need religious literacy in schools so that ignorance about other people’s beliefs are not stated as fact and with bitterness.

I'm perfectly religiously literate, thank you!

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

1 Corinthians 34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

1 Timothy 2:11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

Very Christlike of you to call me ignorant and bitter, though!

JassyRadlett · 12/01/2019 00:02

Neither are other terrorists who claim to be followers of a particular faith. They are just criminal thugs who happen to identify with the cultural aspects of that faith.

The PP we were responding to was suggesting exactly that they were following the teachings of their faith.

It’s quite a convenient argument that anything nasty done in the name of religion, ever, isn’t actually inspired by the religion, those people aren’t really of that faith.

Oswin · 12/01/2019 00:03

Onlylonely why do you think it is bashed? Could it be the infuriating entitlement of people like you? Who think our children should be forced to listen to religious indoctrination. But only your particular brand of religion.

elephantinstripeysocks · 12/01/2019 00:03

@Wearywithteens They were not Christians in the sense of faithful followers of Christ. Neither are other terrorists who claim to be followers of a particular faith. They are just criminal thugs who happen to identify with the cultural aspects of that faith.

And im sure muslims would agree that the ones blowing people up in their name "arent Muslim in the sense of faithful followers of Allah". But we overlook that and tar them all, yet excuse ourselves.

For the record im still christian and couldnt care less what religion other people are. I have my beliefs, they have theirs and we all plod on and make the best of our own situations.

Craft1905 · 12/01/2019 00:04

DS: "Mummy, do you believe in God?"
Me: "No darling, as you know."
DS: "Me neither."
Me: "Oh really, what changed?"
DS: "I pray but he doesn't answer me..."

When I was a kid I prayed for a bike but I didn't get one. So I stole someone else's and prayed for forgiveness! Grin

Valanice1989 · 12/01/2019 00:06

Do away with Christianity and the decline will continue...........and no, learning about God isn’t blackmail to make our kids behave, but something has gone seriously wrong, and i blame a lot of it on the lack of any Christian values and teaching.

Which Christian values do you want to be taught?

JassyRadlett · 12/01/2019 00:10

I’m now leaving this thread before it turns into the usual good old Christian bashing as is the norm.

As usual, on these threads, we need to point out the difference between criticising Christianity and criticising Christians.

And then go on to point out that the reason Christianity may get more criticism is because of its followers constant efforts to impose it on the wider population rather than keeping it a personal thing, particularly through state-funded services and preferential treatment in the legislative branch and elsewhere.

BunsOfAnarchy · 12/01/2019 00:10

Give over. I knew the lords prayer at 4 and was told jesus loved me too every morning of school. You dont see me waving bibles in my town centre.
Surely he thinka Santa loves him too... same difference to me!

Wearywithteens · 12/01/2019 00:11

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EugenesAxe · 12/01/2019 00:16

Craft1905 I'm a Christian and no I wouldn't have a problem with my child coming home praising Allah or asking for the Koran. I own the Koran (only managed to read a bit of it to be honest... but then I haven't got through the Bible yet either). I hate it when people slap intolerance, bigotry and every other kind of stereotype on Christians. I still say to my son that "I believe in God but not everyone does; Daddy doesn't and it's fine if you don't want to believe." And to use terror of a godless death to coerce children into believing is sick.

I also take most of the OT with a big pinch of salt; a lot of the 'rules' were laid down by people doing what they thought was the right thing. Jesus is all about love and forgiveness. I follow Christ... so generally use the NT as my compass. People who claim to be Christian like some of those you hear about in the US, who then misquote the Bible to justify child abuse, are deluded.

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