To think this is bad. H and m sizing

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Out shopping looking for a gift. Saw a top. Their sizing ranged for xs to xl. Person is size 10. Asked assistant what size is a 10 and told medium. So,a size 12 is clearly a large and 14 xl.
I know vanity sizing and all that but this person is at the bottom end of normal weight. How can that be medium?

The responses to this thread are really weird. I have mostly been a size 8-10 on top and a 12 on bottom. I would therefore usually buy a small sized top (occasionally extra small) and medium bottom. Pretty much always subject to some ad hoc variation due to cut, coming up small etc.

I would expect a 6 to be an xxs.

@Aeroflotgirl 5’ is tall for an 11 year old girl (around 91st percentile). It’s just under the 50th percentile for a 13 year old girl. Looking at H&M’s height info for girls clothes, 5’ is probably just a bit tall for their age 11-12 clothes, especially if she has long legs. The tightness will also be relative to height. The ages given for kids clothes are generally less useful than the height information.

So all is well even if she’s wearing age 13-14 clothes from H&M.

these threads are always hideous reading for people with eating disorders etc. There are always so many people that like to come on and say a size 10 is actually fat, because everybody was much thinner on war rations and a size 6 is a normal size.

size 6 to 8 is very slim if youre a normal height. im 5ft6 and to get to a size 8, I was running 5 miles+ a day and throwing up after meals so please fuck off with a size 12 is overweight.

I actually dont give a fuck anymore what size my clothes are as long as they fit, but some of these comments on this thread would have sent me into a bulimic self hating frenzy a few years back

I'd say 4 or below is extra small 6-8 is small 10-12 medium 14-16 large 18-20 extra large etc.

I'm a 10-12 at a middle healthy weight. I consider it perfectly acceptable that being in the middle of your healthy Bmi is a medium size. Top of my bmi is 12-14 and bottom is 8-10.

The main issue is massive massive inconsistency in sizing. My wardrobe ranges from a 10 to an 18. That's the mad part.

I love these threads (pun intended). Everyone gets mixed up between ‘healthy’, ‘normal’, ‘average’ and forgets about ‘commercially viable’.

You can't say that everyone who is thin has a disorder!! That's outrageous. I am a size 6, 5ft 4. Not very active and eat three good meals a day.

I am not the exception as many women here will

One of my fave pairs of jeans is for teenage boys, maybe age 14-15. The pockets are amazing! Needs a belt for my girlie waist, though.

size 6 to 8 is very slim if youre a normal height
healthily slim! Moan as much as you want but the truth is that today's size 12 is rather on the large side. Go to a vintage shop and try a 50s size 12 and come back.

People should not be allowed to state that you need a eating disorder to reach a healthy size 6 to 8 when you are average heigh!

I'm not going to argue whether size 10 is medium or not (or how many X go before my L!).

What I want is consistency. If say a 10 is 34/27/37 (taken from M&S website) then that or an agreed set should be a fixed clothes size so there is no more variation or vanity sizing. If that means I end up in a higher number than so be it. Rather than fitting anything between a 14 and 22 (in the same shop!) so you never know what size you need.

I would actually buy clothes more often if I didn't have to spend so much time going back and forth trying on the same item in various sizes which is just so boring.

I would much rather be able to go into a shop, know what size I need and that chances are it will fit - DH can go into a shop and knows he is a S and that will pretty much always fit, yet I have to try on everything as I am not even the same size across items in one shop let alone between shops.

Uh. Sorry to everyone who remains in denial, but today's 10s and 12s are actually rather large. I'm a 10/12 and 5ft4 and there's no way I could be considered 'small', what with my 38 inch hips.

What I want is consistency.
I can't agree more. I am wearing anything from a size 8 to a 16 , and don't get me started on the "regular" vs "tall". You need to try on 6 dresses to find the right fit in most places, it's ridiculous.

If say a 10 is 34/27/37 (taken from M&S website)

They totally lie about this. If you actually try anything on the size 10 is much bigger than this.

H&M are notoriously small on the bust. I had to wear a medium there when I was 100lbs and a size 4-6 most other places.

Tbh I don't really shop for me there as the fit isn't suitable for women who are shaped like women (eg have a bust over an a cup)

That's a really shitty thing to say @anniehm

Pattern sizes are fixed. But not clothes sizes. A size 8 in the shops is a size 12 in most patterns.

I hate the kids sizes aged 4 to 6years or 8 to 10years. Girls tops over 10 are mostly belly tops.
I do like their jeans as they are really an 8. If I get jeans in Primark in an 8 its more of a 10 or 12.
I would have thought size 12 was a medium.

Tbh I don't really shop for me there as the fit isn't suitable for women who are shaped like women (eg have a bust over an a cup)
Typical always acceptable to be mean to slim women.
I actually have a d cup and I am a six in most shops, plus i am blonde and over 35 I must be a total cow eh.

Wow, we are definitely all different shapes then. I am 5ft 6 so very average height, very average build, at around 10stone my BMI is 22 and I am a size 12. I would definitely consider my self medium at that point. To be a size ten I need to be about 9 stone and have a bmi of 20, which I would consider small as it’s the lower end of a healthy weight. I understand that some people are petite however, I am not sure I believe everyone on here is completely honest 🤔

*healthily slim! Moan as much as you want but the truth is that today's size 12 is rather on the large side. Go to a vintage shop and try a 50s size 12 and come back.

People should not be allowed to state that you need a eating disorder to reach a healthy size 6 to 8 when you are average heigh!*

Good job noone actually said that then. I said that at 5ft6, the only time I was able to get down to a size 8, was when I was very eating disordered and also running daily.
I was actually very unwell with it.

If I eat normal healthy food and live normally, I can maintain a steady 12-14, which to you is obviously pretty damn large.

Just saying that the way that you talk about womens bodies here has real life effects. People can of course be naturally slim, but a size 12 is not large for an adult woman. Im not sure what the point is about vintage size 12s. Of course that is probably around a size 8 in modern sizing.

but a size 12 is not large for an adult woman.
it depends on the woman. For many women, it's being at least 2 sizes overweight.

It's so dangerous to pretend that big is "natural" and over eating is fine. We have an obesity problem in this country, and a very real one. It is so wrong to pretend that a normal and healthy slim body in actually unfit!

I am only 5.3 if I was a 12 I would be obese.
If at 5.8 and a 12 you would still be slim.

I’m sick of the narrative that women who are a size 6/8 must be underweight/starving themselves/on their death bed/skeletal etc. I swear this is just something larger ladies are in denial about to make themselves feel better about their size. No darling - some of us are just naturally slim and have been our entire lives so it’s not difficult to maintain. So being slim or a 6/8 isn’t impossible or unobtainable as it’s just our natural shape at our normal weight. The double standards with slim shaming vs fat shaming are humorous.

I’m 5’4, a size 12 and in the healthy BMI range. Not saying I’m slim or anything but far from obese!

The words "naturally slim" don't mean anything.

I share with y'all label on my M&S shorts. I bought them 2nd hand ~5 yrs ago, but seems they were vintage from the labelling. Label says UK 12, with hips 37" & waist 26" (they must be bigger than both of those, though, seeing how they fit me).

WOW, look at modern sizing for M&S. My size 12 shorts should be a blend of 8/10 now (and now designed for pear-shaped people not hourglasses).

If your size 12 clothes are also about waist = 26"-28" & hips = 37-38" then I accept size 12 is not large.

Yes dd is quite gangly with long legs, and quite slim. Other peers of her age, seem souch biger and taller than her though.