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To have another child?

73 replies

cavycavy · 01/01/2019 08:11

Me and DH are nearly 39 with one 4yr old child. We have a lovely 3 bed semi and a good income. We are not ‘wealthy’ by any means, but we have enough to pay the bills, shop in Aldi/Lidl and go on a cheap holiday (nearly) every year. We are certainly not poor but we are a bit shit at budgeting.

It too me 3 years to even contemplate having another child due to severe PND. Then another year to come off the medication.

I’m now ready and we would both love another child. We are realistic, it may not happen now with our age and I have gained a shit-tonne of weight on my medication. But that’s now coming off steadily (cheers AD’s) and we have decided to give it 2 years of trying to conceive naturally and let fate take its course. Obviously we also need to start being strict with a budget as, with 2 children, there would be no room for error.

This time I would also seek out support from my GP and midwife in anticipation of getting PND again. I’m fairly convinced my PND was a result of birth trauma/PTSD. I work with midwives and have discussed this with them and feel confident I would be well looked after. I’d even have the option of a c.section.

However....

We have never explicitly discussed these plans with our parents but due to us keeping the pram and the cot in the loft “just in case” they know it’s a possibility.

Both sets of parents have alluded to the idea that having another child wouldn’t be a good idea. DH parents purely because of finances. They are very wealthy and I think they consider us to be living in the breadline (which we aren’t, we have savings, we just don’t happen to shop in Waitrose and buy all our clothes from Joules).

My parents (mum specifically) think we are just too old and I have just survived horrendous PND, so why would we risk that again?

Both are probably worried about being lumbered with childcare again, and would feel obliged to offer, but we would absolutely pay for childcare this time round and we could afford this.

We both planned 3 children (ambitious given our age at the time) but we never anticipated me becoming so unwell. We feel like we have a couple of years to have one more shot at another child. I can’t bear the thought that we had an only child out of choice, I really really want our child to have a sibling. In our minds it’s the right decision. But it’s unsettling to know our own parents don’t think we are up to it!

AWBU to go ahead? Should we be grateful for what we have (we are very grateful already) and make the best life for our child that we can. Is it irresponsible to have another child if you aren’t ‘wealthy’? Are we too old? Is it irresponsible and unfair on everyone (myself included) for me to risk having PND again?

Maybe it’s selfish but I long to have a baby and enjoy, or simply REMEMBER, the first year. I really think it will be fine this time around, but perhaps I am naive.

OP posts:
GreatDuckCookery6211 · 01/01/2019 09:18

I don't know OP. It sounds like your PND was extremely bad? Knowing it runs in your family I can see why your mum is so worried.

Can you honestly afford another baby? Do you work? Do the grandparents help out with childcare?

At the end of the day the need for another baby is very strong but in your situation I would not be rushing in to this.

UserMe18 · 01/01/2019 09:29

If you're expecting a lot of childcare from DP then I think they are entitled to an opinion and for you to consider it, if not then crack on it's none of their business, I had PND both times but second time I was much more mentally prepared for it.

cavycavy · 01/01/2019 09:29

Yes I work part time our collective household income is just under £60k. We have savings. Our parents offered and insisted on doing all the childcare till I went back to work at 1 year and did that till DC was old enough for preschool.

I get full pay mat leave for 9 months then it gradually reduces till the 1 year point.

We are planning to pay for our childcare. We would be massive CF’s to just expect them to do it again. (Although I expect they will offer!)

OP posts:
cavycavy · 01/01/2019 09:31

Sorry, that should read AFTER I went back to work when baby was 1year old.

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cavycavy · 01/01/2019 09:33

Oh god. The more I think about it, the more negative it all seems.

I’m so healthy now, mentally. Back to normal. Very happy with a gorgeous child.

I just feel so guilty that DC doesn’t have a sibling because of me.

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muchprefersummer · 01/01/2019 09:37

I think you should try. Although the PND was awful - you did get through it and have a plan in place for this time. If you don't try and have another baby I think you'll always look back and regret not doing it.

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 01/01/2019 09:38

Think about it Op, what do you think your child would rather? His/her mum very mentally unwell or a brother or sister? Being an only child isn't a bad thing Confused

cavycavy · 01/01/2019 09:40

ShrinkWrap citalopram

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homegrownmumma · 01/01/2019 09:41

It's literally nothing to do with anyone but you and your partner , if another child would make you happy then go for it

Notacluethisxmas · 01/01/2019 09:44

A child does not need a sibling.

They do need a mum who is healthy etc. Obviously some people get poorly and can't help it. But choosing to risk it is different. Would you risk a physical injury with a long recovery in order to have a child?

Again, I am not saying my choice is the right choice......But what if all the steps don't work?

jelliebelly · 01/01/2019 09:54

Your dc does not need a sibling but they will be hugely impacted if you have such severe pnd again

GreatDuckCookery6211 · 01/01/2019 09:56

It's literally nothing to do with anyone but you and your partner , if another child would make you happy then go for it

There's the thing, having a baby is very likely to cause the OP to have severe PND, so all very well to have another one if it would make you happy.

SchrodingersUnicorn · 01/01/2019 09:58

OP I really empathise, I'm in a similar situation except DH agrees with my parents! I'd love a second child and don't want my DD to be an only because I have such a great relationship with my Dais. But my DPs and DH are adamant I mustn't go through it again as I had such an awful pregnancy and was physically very ill for a year after.
Like you, I think DPs views are important, they love you and are worth listening to - but also you and your DH and GP have a sensible plan. They are thinking worst case scenario, but you can protect against that.
The "can't afford it" from PILs is a bit :S you have an above average family income and a 3 bed house! If you and DH agree, go for it!

TheBigBangRocks · 01/01/2019 10:00

Wanting a baby to relive the first year is madness. You can't get that time back and if it happens all over again you will miss it plus have a child old enough to understand what's going on and to be affected by it.

Given your parents think it's a bad idea after last time, I'd listen to them. They know you and how bad it was. Very wayfor people to say have another but the chances are the pnd will strike again and family have to watch it and step in.

Allthewaves · 01/01/2019 10:01

I think you need to plan for the worst. Could you afford for dh to be off for an extended period and look after you and the baby if you become very ill?

Allthewaves · 01/01/2019 10:03

A child doesn't need a sibling. A well mum is more important. Wouldn't you feel more guilt losing time with dc1 if you become unwell

AloneLonelyLoner · 01/01/2019 10:09

I don’t undeywhy so many people are saying it has nothing to do with anyone but the OP. Looking after someone who is mentally ill is incredibly hard work, add in a young child to the mix who may need extra care from others because of this and it’s not so simple. YABU to not take others into account if they’ll be the ones caring for you.

YANBU to try again if you are prepared. Also 39 is not too old at all. I had my last at 43. Good luck.

Littletabbyocelot · 01/01/2019 10:20

If the only reason is guilt about your child not having a sibling, don't do it.

I know there is no predicting what will happen but my closest friend made the decision to have a 2nd after severe pnd with her first. It was worse with her 2nd and as others have said she had a child old enough to be affected. They very nearly ended up on a child in need plan.

They have openly said it was a mistake and while she is well now and the 2nd child is loved and wanted, if they had the choice again they would have only one.

Jocasta2018 · 01/01/2019 10:35

I'm a person with mental health issues and my psychiatrist suggested the following when we discussed, fleetingly, the idea of me having children:

Dr on board and MH plan laid out;
Stable relationship & knowledge that the father-to-be is 100% behind having this baby - anything less and your illness could lead to a rupture in the relationship;
Home and financial stability - be it job or savings, just one less thing to worry about;

As for family support.... I know people will flame me for saying this but it is important that the grandparents are 100% on board regarding your health. The fact your mother commented on whether you wanted to go through PND again shows that she's worried about it.
I've been in hospital over the years in a terrible state, having ECT and other delights. My divorced parents would only visit me together - basically so they could sit and cry together in the car afterwards, that they didn't have to deal individually with their distress after seeing me.
They talk about men getting PTSD after watching the mother of their child go through hell to give birth. Well, parents of any ages also go through hell watching their children, of any age, when they're ill. Certainly your parents need to be reassured that they needn't worry they'll be watching their child go through hell again.

As for the in-laws. It sounds as though you'll never have enough money, according to them, to have children so that argument can be discounted. However! They will have been watching their son dealing with you and your illness and again, they might be wary of it all happening again.

With mental health, as with a lot of illnesses, people are helpless whilst they watch their loved one suffer. MH issues can be horrific to experience both as patient and as a relative.
So a round table talk with the grandparents to ease all concerns - to let them know that you've covered all bases.
For you and your husband, it could be worth getting counselling during the ttc process - extra support from the very beginning for you both.

Good luck and I wish you good health, in all ways, for 2019.

nottakingthisanymore · 01/01/2019 10:59

In your position I would definitely try for another. Good luck.

seven201 · 01/01/2019 12:32

Someone mentioned how you probably wouldn't choose to be physically ill to have a baby so why would you risk your mental health? I think plenty of women have health issues in pregnancy and then go on to have another. I had a complicated pregnancy and felt like shit, I'm still trying for another. My friend had severe pnd and chose to have another. From my limited experience pnd for a second child is likely to be far less awful. You have the support there. Specialist midwife, consultant led, already know what meds work for you, a partner who knows the signs to watch out for. Pnd is treatable. I'm not saying there's nothing to be worried about, but I don't think you should be put off another dc because of it.

Your pil are worried about money - you've worked out you can afford it, so that's nothing to worry about.

Your parents are worried about your mental health - you will have support in place. They are worried about being lumbered with childcare - you already know you can afford to buy that in.

If I were you I'd go for it, but I'm not you. What do you picture your life to be like in 5 years?

seven201 · 01/01/2019 12:33

To add, I didn't mean I 'just' felt like shit. I was at risk too, and would be in subsequent pregnancies.

Birdie6 · 01/01/2019 12:56

I don't agree that you should ignore your parents and inlaws' opinions. They know what you went through last time, and no doubt they gave plenty of support. That would be on their minds again. I'm not saying that you should do exactly what your parents want you to, but keep in mind that they love you and want the best for you.

llangennith · 01/01/2019 13:03

Whether to try for another baby is a decision for only you and your DH to make. However ill you were, and however helpful your respective parents were, it's your decision not theirs.
Lots of women have babies at your age so if you and DH want to try for another then do so asap. Good luck.

Stuckforthefourthtime · 02/01/2019 07:02

Another one - you say your DH would love another child, is he fully on board? If he is that's a bit plus point. I've had to care for a severely depressed partner and it nearly broke us and frankly another bout might be the end of our relationship, because I could see the impact it was having on our DCs and it was so hard that I very nearly ended up depressed myself. If he's able to imagine doing it again that's a very good sign.