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You shouldn't allow your children to run riot at a wedding

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TheTruthBeTold · 30/12/2018 21:14

I haven't spoken with my older sister for six months or so.

We didn't have the most fantastic relationship to begin with as over many, many years she has steadily become a very absent person in my life. She lives miles away from where me and my family are based and moved there when I was around 14 or 15, so I don't see her often, but when she does visit, she centres her visits around my mother but does not bother to contact me or my brother to make any plans when she is around. I can only describe her well with what my close friends who understand the situation very accurately refer to her as: the 'golden goose' of our family.

It was always a strained relationship in my eyes, but after her PFB, the distance between us grew considerably. PFB is unruly, spoilt, aggressive and rude, and has always has been. He is 8yo. My anger toward her regarding him and his behaviour is inflamed more so by her lack of authority or any real acknowledgement of his behaviour and the effects that it has on everyone around her. After she had her second born, my niece, things just got worse. She is now 5yo and is a sweet, well behaved child when she is not around PFB, but the two of them together is enough to make you pull out your hair (even for the most seasoned and patient parents). Her son has, in the past, kicked me in the leg as hard as he could and told me to my face that he hated me for something as simple asking him to sit in his chair, and she responded, and still does, by not taking a single punitive measure. One side of our family do not want to be around her or her children when they are visiting as they clearly can't be bothered with it any more.

Going out to a restaurant or other public setting with them is an embarrassment and an even further annoyance to me and my other family members as around other people she is very happy to place everyone else in a babysitter/parental role by proxy, and can often disappear without any notice, leaving you to deal with her kids, without a single thank you or apology. She usually allows them to run riot. I have witnessed the running around to other tables and sitting with other families, getting in the way of waiters, screaming, shouting, throwing nasty insults at people, and watching things loudly on their phones and iPads, all the the annoyance of the entire restaurant. She is never apologetic for any of it, and refuses to acknowledge anything is wrong. Anyone who may approach the subject with her will receive abuse or she will stop speaking to you for months or entirely, because in her eyes, you are wrong. You will always be wrong and how DARE you even say such a thing?! "They are just being children", "I don't want to crush their spirits", etc, etc.

So after me and my DH got engaged, the day came where I finally realised I had a choice to make for our wedding day. It occurred to me what a relationship altering decision this would be for me and my sister. If I invited my sister, would I invite her children? If I did not invite her children, would she even come? Would she even speak to me anymore? If I invited her children, could she, for once, watch over them to ensure they were well behaved and did not spoil our day? Could she do this for me even if she'd never done it for anyone? Could I survive the day with her children in attendance and let everything wash over me, because, after all, family is family?

It was unfair and unreasonable, I felt, to banish friends and family's children from our wedding just because of her children, and many of our lovely guests would have been missing from our wedding due to childcare issues.

My mother made this a more difficult situation, whilst trying to help, by telling my sister that I had set out a 'no children at all' wedding, and that she could not invite her children, despite the fact that I had already verbally invited our close friends and their children previous to invites being sent out. Knowing that my sister could essentially come to our wedding and slowly realise that it was not a 'children free' wedding, I knew she would be hurt and angry on the day and that this was one of the worst things I could do to her and her kids. I did not want to exclude them either, after all, it was not really their fault.

This twisted my arm even further and eventually I sent out an invitation to her, advising her my mother was mistaken and that her children were welcome, and I asked her and my niece to be bridesmaids, all in the best hope that everything would be fine, and that we would all have a lovely day and a new experience to bond over.

The day of the wedding came and as the day progressed, I realised I'd made a grave error in thinking anything would be any different with her and her kids. It started with the meet and greet immediately after the ceremony; whilst me and my DH were supposed to be welcoming and thanking our guests for coming, I ended up with her 5yo daughter clung to my leg, as my sister had already gone missing. This lasted about half an hour. Strike one.

Before dinner, my sister thwarted my table plans by doing nothing as her daughter then had a full blown tantrum in front of everyone because she wanted to sit next to my older niece (my brother's daughter) and my stepdaughter, and so because my sister did not take control of the situation, my maid of honour and DH's best man were forced to move onto another table to allow her daughter to sit there, which lasted all of twenty minutes, before she flitted between that table and my sister's table, leaving me without my MOH or my DH his best man on our top table, and a lot of empty seats on our top table, before dinner even began. Strike two.

During the speeches, her son ran back and forth with her phone in his hand, filming everything and shouting, getting right up close to everyone's faces with the phone whilst they were making their speeches. My sister did nothing to get him back in his chair. By this point, I was finding it difficult to enjoy the speeches or my dinner. Strike three.

During and after dinner, they ran around the restaurant area, going from table to table, or wandering around on their own. Me and my DH had purchased over £100 worth of polaroids for the camera so that everyone could take a photo of themselves with props for our guestbook. Because my sister let her children run around unattended, unbeknown to us, they used most of the film on stupid pointless photos and then broke the camera before many guests could take photos and sign the guest book, until my stepdaughter let me know this is what had happened. Strike four.

At some point in the afternoon, I came back from the toilet to be alerted my DH's best man that he had been looking after my sister's 5yo daughter as he had discovered she had been sat on a stool at the bar for nearly an hour on her own, completely unattended, chatting to the bar staff, my sister no where in sight, to which he was disgusted. Her son was running around like a lunatic. My maid of honour, DH's best man's wife, was equally enraged when she had discovered this as well, and stormed off to locate my sister. Strike five.

After my sister was located, I decided it may be best to have a quick word with her as by this point I wasn't happy at all and both DH's best man and my MOH had got me fired up and I'd just about had enough. I don't even think I was angry or rude at the time, but politely informed her that DH's best man had looked after her daughter for an hour as she was unattended and upset, because my sister could not be located, and that it was not my guest's responsibility to do this. I also informed her of the broken camera and wasted film which was a result of their actions, and asked her if she could please keep a better eye on them. No more serious incidents occurred apart from when I was saying goodbye to them all when they left, and went to give her son a hug, who told me that I was disgusting and smelt awful, as he'd seen me have a cigarette, and that I was going to die. I said nothing.

I texted her days later, and had no response. I tried to ring her one day, no answer. Messaged again over the coming weeks, no answer. Photographs went up online, no comments or likes from my sister. Didn't think anything of it at the time over the years I've heard nothing from her only to suddenly get a message back weeks or months later.
Around the three month mark, I receive a long FB message out of the blue from her to explain that she was hurt and angry about what I'd said to her, that the children did nothing wrong, that they'd come in good faith and she'd decided before the wedding to make more of an effort in our relationship but that the day spoiled everything and she wished she'd never come. Then a lot of fictionalised accusations that I'd told all of my guests before the wedding that she was a bad sister, a bad mother, and that her children were awful, and that everyone was 'laughing behind her back' for the entire day. In addition to this, she accused my DH's best man and my MOH of being shit stirrers and backstabbers who made up a load of lies about her on the day, caused a huge situation regarding her daughter being unattended, and that I needed to reconsider who my real friends were.

According to my mother, my sister later confessed to her a few days after the wedding that she was hurt and angry because I had said this to her, and that she and the children had come in "good faith" to enjoy our day, but that after I had a word with her, that she had wanted to "go home" and "had a miserable day".

I didn't respond to my sisters message and that was nearly three months ago now. She's sent no follow up since either. It felt like the final injustice, the nail in the coffin. I even thought about writing a letter. I've been silent because I can not sum up how I feel and do not know how to fix this, or even if I should or if it can be fixed, because I feel justified in what I said to her that day and feel I do not need to explain myself or apologise. Why should I sit and say nothing whilst you do nothing to rein in your children on our wedding day? or AIBU?

OP posts:
Handprints2018 · 30/12/2018 22:44

Your sister was never going to change and do what you hoped. She's not going to change now and agree she was unreasonable and you restrained and apologise.

Your mum can do what she wants, you dont have to play along and can stay nc. Your sister sounds crap from your opening post so either your mum is pandering to her or she doesn't agree with your pov hence why she didn't back you up when your sister confessed her hurt.

Have you asked your mum what she thought? You don't need to care but i wonder if she told you your sisters hurt confession to prompt you to apologise (either because she's thinking it wasnt so bad to fall out about or because she's a flying monkey).

xsquared · 30/12/2018 22:47

You've been incredibly restrained in dealing with your DN's behaviour and your sister's selfishness and incompetence as a parent, on your wedding day.

She needs to be told that she was BU and exactly why.

KateAdiesEarrings · 30/12/2018 22:47

I'm not sure what your question is? Should you pretend that you're sorry about what you said to her when you're not sorry at all?
It doesn't sound as though her accusations were inaccurate. From your OP, it's clear you have long had issues with her parenting and you've discussed it with, at least, your mum, your DH, your MOH, the best man and your stepdaughter.
I'm sorry all those people knew about the issues with the children and yet none of them managed the children's behaviour at the wedding since it was unlikely your sister was going to address it. I often end up watching other people's children at family weddings. I wouldn't dream of making it an issue for the bride and groom. tbh I also wouldn't complain about it.

Karenspolos · 30/12/2018 22:48

It’s over, it’s happened, you’re not in touch, you don’t have to deal with her or her kids, so move on. I think you’ve done her a favour.

Handprints2018 · 30/12/2018 22:48

And yanbu to voice you are pissed off if you are. It's better to be honest so everyone knows where they stand. If no one ever is honest to your sister's face then she won't realise why when invites dry up and people distance. At least knowing she maybe can (if others are equally honest for the same reason) realise the truth.

elephantinstripeysocks · 30/12/2018 22:52

im presuming other guests or a professional filmed the speeches? or filmed parts of your day. i would scour the videos for evidence of her son running riot and using the phone as you say and also of her daughter alone. I would then message them over to her with no words. Let them speak for themselves.

TheBigFatMermaid · 30/12/2018 23:02

I think her no longer speaking to you is this having been fixed!

SuchAToDo · 30/12/2018 23:02

Op i know they are your family but they sound like feral brats, your sister should be ashamed of their behaviour as it is a reflection of her bad parenting..I bet by the time they are teenagers they will be wildly out if control and your sister will be on here wailing that she is a good mother, given them a good upbringing, doesn't understand how they can behave this way etc

Op i would give your sister a wide berth until her kids learn to behave, andif you feel you must see her , then see her without the kids and stick to that until her kids learn to behave as it's ridiculous that she is letting them behave like that

Also.. just want to add, I know you feel that they spoiled your wedding day, but don't let it mar the fact that you got to mar the man you love ....plus if it is still really upsetting you, you and dh always have the option of having a second wedding in the future by having a vow renewal ceremony and the reception etc (just don't invite sister and her brats this time)

TheTruthBeTold · 30/12/2018 23:04

KateAdiesEarrings, was not really a question so much as a post to get other people's points of view on the situation and what their reaction would have been in my shoes, in order to decide what to do I guess, i.e move past it and make up if possible, or get over it and move on, etc.
My issues with the parenting... DM is aware because my brother and sister don't speak any more for the same reason, and obviously I've had my issues with it over the years. The only other person who is aware of how I felt in the run up to the wedding or in general is my DH, naturally, he feels the same as he's witnessed it first hand before. SD is not aware as she's not seen much of them anyway and too young to be involved, MOH and the best man had never met her or heard of the issues prior to the wedding day

Thank you to everyone who has commented support so far or posted your thoughts... it's not a black and white situation with family most of the time

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Jux · 30/12/2018 23:05

Sadly you knew what it would be like if her hcildren came. I'd have let her believe it was a childfree wedding, once she arrived and found it wasn't it would have been too late for her to do anything about it.

Frankly, there's nothing you can do. She has exonerated herself in her own head and she will always do that. But if you're burning up with the desire to respond to her, then do. Send her a calm fb message reiterating all the things the children did and remindin gher that they did all those things because she wasn't around.Keep it calm and measured. Write it, don't send it for a week, and then reread it. If you still want to send it then do. She'll probably block you.

KateAdiesEarrings · 30/12/2018 23:14

But your SD told you about the issue with the cameras and the MOH and best man both spoke to you about your niece - that's what I meant by you've had conversations with them about it.
We have a big family with lots of children. At family weddings, the bride and groom usually have a chat with the parents about where to sit their children for the meal. And I've still seen parents sometimes swap their DCs to a different table if, on the day, the seating plan wasn't working for them.
During speeches, lots of people (including the children) take photos or videos and after the meal, there's usually an area where the children can play/run around and different adults watch them at different times. It means their parents can enjoy at least part of the wedding.
I'm not denying it sounds like there are issues with your DSIS' parenting. But, the way the MOH and best man reacted to the children, helped to make it an issue on your wedding day. That's really unfortunate. Flowers

Raspberry10 · 30/12/2018 23:17

YANBU to be honest I’d be grateful you can go Low to No Contact with them. My SIL is exactly the same, didn’t look after her children at all at our wedding and they ran riot, all five of them! Cameras ruined, booze stolen, swearing at guests. Not seen much of them since thankgod. So sorry you had such a horrible experience too.

TheTruthBeTold · 30/12/2018 23:20

Thank you KateAdiesEarrings... yeah, that is another situation that upset me and spoiled the day for me, best man and MOH. Definitely agree they didn't handle it well as I was lead to believe MOH and BM roles are there to help avoid those situations not fan the flames? Never felt I could say anything to them about it though as I didn't want to end up not speaking to more people

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PixiKitKat · 30/12/2018 23:24

Your a much nicer, patient person than me! I wouldn't have invited her kids and then just let her stomp out later if she'd noticed the other kids. Id have also had a word at strike 2, rather than it continuing.
But I'm having a child free wedding due to shit like this.

Nothisispatrick · 30/12/2018 23:27

Karenspolos

Pretty clear who has the shitty behaved kids on this thread!

YANBU op, but I would’ve stepped in much earlier. My family will do anything to avoid a tantrum from my niece and nephew, I have no issue in tell them off I need to, I don’t care if you tantrum!

Graphista · 30/12/2018 23:30

To be honest, given you knew what she and her children were like I'd have risked her not coming by having a word before an invitation was even sent to make clear to her that her usual bullshit wouldn't be tolerated.

At this point - cut your losses.

You don't have to stay in contact with someone just because you're related.

I'm nc with my sister for a whole string of reasons not limited to but including her own lax approach to parenting while criticising me for being too strict! (Yea well it meant my child knew how to behave!)

Take her lead, she's not interested in a relationship that doesn't involve you apologising to her when you did nothing wrong. Fuck that!

Conversely to many pps I don't agree with childfree weddings and had quite a few at mine - all of whom behaved well even when tired and bored, by which I dot mean perfectly but their joy and merriment did not prevent others from enjoying the day.

My sister hadn't yet had children at this point. If she had I'd have had a word before the wedding, my parents would have tried to stop me - they'd have failed.

IF I were you & sent a reply it'd be the last message I ever sent her and say:

"If you'd genuinely come in good faith you would have taken proper responsibility for YOUR children and prevented their poor behaviour. That's your job as a parent.

Your hurt and anger is as nothing to mine considering this was MY WEDDING DAY!

I had no need to tell anyone of your poor parenting or the children's behaviour as it was there for all to see.

The moh and bm had every right to be annoyed and express that annoyance to me as your sister. They were not there to babysit YOUR kids.

If you'd wanted to go home you could have.

Stop displacing your guilt about your poor parenting onto others.

This is the last I have to say on this or any other matter."

And that's actually a very mild version of what I'd actually send.

She's a lazy, piss taking, lax parent who needs to grow up and parent her kids.

But that isn't and doesn't need to be your problem at all.

It's not only annoying for others it's doing the children no favours either as they will struggle with behaviour at school and likely have difficulties making/keeping friends. Living in a society means you have to obey certain rules, if you don't there are consequences, the earlier children learn that the better for them.

Your mum being afraid to criticise for fear of having the dgc withdrawn is exactly the kind of crap my sister pulls! In the past I've said to her sister will need her before long anyway (she relies on mum a LOT financially and for childcare) so she should just make her threats, she'll soon come running when she needs money or a sitter (I'd give it a week! Max!) I suspect mum would only need to not give in once and sister would realise she couldn't get away with it and wouldn't try it again, but mums too worried she'd "lose" the dgc (she really wouldn't).

Karenspolos - I think it's pretty clear from your posts you're the sister a similar type of parent to op's sister.

Most respondents don't think the op "uptight" at all! If anything she was far more restrained than many (inc me) would be!

KateAdiesEarrings · 30/12/2018 23:32

At my wedding, we had an issue with one of the adult guests. Our best man noticed what was going on, took the guest aside, and put them in a taxi home. I didn't find out about it until months later. I think that's part of their role. But yy I agree it doesn't sound worth bringing it up with them. And you don't want your memories of your wedding to be soured by memories of falling out with people.

Karenspolos · 30/12/2018 23:33

Not at all. And I had a child free wedding!

It was “strike 1” bollocks that makes me think the OP has long had a downer on this little boy and then confirmation bias has done the rest.

gamerchick · 30/12/2018 23:43

Karenspolos, do you have feral antisocial brats yourself? You seem to be taking this rather...personally

Heh I thought the same thing Grin

OP just enjoy the NC. I had feral brats at my wedding and their mother wasn't much better behaved. She'll reap the rewards of her shot parenting when they're teenagers. You'll hopefully not have to see it.

Cornishclio · 30/12/2018 23:44

YANBU. Your sister sounds like she is struggling to discipline her kids but failing to watch them is just lazy parenting. Does she have a DP? Where was he? No excuses really. M6 DD and her husband had about 12 children at their wedding from a baby up to about 11 or 12. No problems at all with them but then our friends and family watch their kids at family events.

I would not apologise. Those kids will grow up self centred and entitled.

MumW · 30/12/2018 23:45

I think you have given her far too many second chances. If you chose to disown her and go NC, no one would blame you.

However, when it's family, it isn't quite so black and white and, like you I would be of the mindset that I had to try everything possible to keep the family in contact.
I guess only you can decide at what point there is nothing more you can do and that she's overstepped the boundaries once too often.

Having the luxury of looking in and not being in the situation in RL, I think that after her behaviour at your wedding, I would be well and truly done with them.

3boysandabump · 30/12/2018 23:47

Tbh it's done now isn't it.

You've had the message 3 months and not yet responded so I'd just leave it.

At least if you're NC with her you won't have to invite them to anything else

iloveruby · 30/12/2018 23:49

I really feel for you as the injustice of her reaction must sting. However I think you need to look at why, despite knowing the likelihood of them behaving was practically zero, you still invited her and her children to your wedding.
This isn't to put any blame on you, but I think you need to look at why you placed her feelings above your own happiness.

If I was you I'd simply cut all contact with her for the time being - her behaviour has shown how little she regards you and you don't need people like that in your life.

Tryingbutfailingmiserably · 30/12/2018 23:50

Karenspolos

Hmm
RiverTam · 30/12/2018 23:51

Obviously their behaviour was atrocious but you need to accept responsibility for inviting them, knowing full well how badly they would behave and that your sister would do nothing.