To pay for a sleep expert?

[tiredest]

DS2 is 2.5 yo and has never ever ever slept through the night. I have tried lots of different things but nothing has been able to stick and he wakes every single night to get into our bed and cries and cries and cries. Sometimes he starts chatting, sometimes he cries for nothing, when he sharing our bed which is every night he is Kicking his arms and legs out sometimes trying to check that we are still there. We are absolutely exhausted, we have no intimacy in the bedroom because the baby is between us constantly, and we just never ever get to switch off because we are just waiting for it every single night. I want to get a sleep expert to come and help us but my husband thinks it's a lot of hooey 😂

Has anyone used anyone like this with any success? At this point I couldn't give a shit how much it costs I've had enough 😭

I could have written this post. My DS is almost 3. I have just got in touch with a local sleep therapist. She thinks she can cure my son in 5 nights by following her plan which costs less than £50. Frankly it's worth a try. Sleep deprivation is killing us. I think it's to do with moving a chair further away from his bed each night until he sleeps through.
I'll keep you posted! But I say GO FOR IT.

I know two friends who did this. Both kids sleep through the night now and have done ever since.

Chips where did u find this angel? 😇

@ChipsAndKetchup if 5 of us chip in a tenner can we all share the plan? 😂

If any of you want the details just drop me a PM. I'm pretty sure the plan is an email one so location is irrelevant.

You can wait to see if it works for me first if you want

Chips please can I have the plan too? We are pretty desperate over here!

I have. When DTs were 1 and DC1 was three. They were a nightmare and she wrote a very very specific minute by minute plan for all three. She came over too and we had phone support. About £200 ten years back. She’s called Andrea Grace and I’ve recommended her before. She doesn’t have a specific dogma either. No cry-it - out either

Glad you have all found each other. Sleep deprivation is not a form of torture for nothing.

An acquaintance of mine years ago used a reiki practitioner as she had a 2yo (approx) who just wouldn’t sleep. She said it worked. About 6 months later it started to wear off and she bumped into the woman in the shops, mentioned that DC was waking again. Woman held onto her and DC (who wasn’t there at the time) started sleeping again. No idea if any science or the household was just more relaxed in general but she reckoned it worked.

Chips yes please send me the details and let us know how it goes!!

We used millpond sleep clinic for our sleep refuser - was amazing. All done over phone and by email.

We used Millpond as well for our twins, they were great. They have a book called Teach Your Child To Sleep which has all the strategies in it (what you end up doing depends on various factors including the age of the child and what the sleeping setup is etc)

We used 'sleepy moonkeeper' for my then 14mo, again for extra moral support when everything went wrong because he wouldn't nap at nursery, and most recently when my 4yo was up for 2hrs every night! Cost around £180 for the first lot, which was support via what's app and email. No charge for the top up chat to do with nursery. And recently £35 for a phone call and support for my 4yo which was frankly a bargain. We've got more than our money's worth for sure. Tailored advice each time. Stopped me and dh arguing how to resolve things!!! Both kids currently sleeping through.

Us too
Haven’t slept more than 4h since she was born almost 2y ago
All these people posting about how awf life is with much younger babies ‘only’ sleeping 7-4 make me want to weep

I am destroyed
My health, relationship and work have suffered.

Have done nothing differently than with the first two and they napped and slept beautifully.

Please do let me know if you have the wonder cure.

We just had a lady stay the week before Christmas for 5 nights for our 7 month old. Was far more expensive than following a plan but we've been here before with my first DD and we knew that if we could afford it, we were not going to mess about and just get it sorted ASAP. She been sleeping through the night since (previously would wake numerous times) and is also sleeping better during the day thanks to a new day time routine which was prescribed at the same time. No regrets!!
We used Night Nannies.

We used an amazing sleep consultant for our son. If you're near London or Essex she covers them. Emma at Hushaboo.

Best £100 I ever spent. Our son slept through the day after her visit. Good luck x

Thingsthatyoudo is she gentle with her methods?? I've just contacted her x

@ThatThingYouDo sorry not thingsthatyoudo 🤦‍♀️

I wish I had, 27 years ago. Go for it.

Yes absolutely worth it. I had one as I was going out of my mind with sleep deprivation. I then trained as a sleep consultant but am currently not taking new clients as I just got super busy and want to concentrate on existing clients. They are not guaranteed to work but you must be committed to the plan (if you aren't you need to tell the consultant or they'll think you're doing what they have advised) and give it time to work. Habits take time to break if you want to do it gently and sustainably. It's so helpful having someone objective to reflect to you what you've been doing and how it affects your child's sleep. If you can afford it yes you should do it. It's a life skill you're teaching your child, with help from a sleep 'teacher'.

Tigger83 Yes she does. She tailors the plan to suit you and what you are comfortable doing. Hope you get on OK. She is very good!

@tiredest I get my 2.5 DS to sleep by lying in his bed ( a full-size single). We coslept until 2 yrs.

I have found playing sleep music on repeat all night helps him stay settled. If he wakes, I go in and ask him if he wants mummy to sleep in with him. Sometimes I fall asleep too, but mostly I return to my bed. I generally don't let him into our bed for sleeping now. He does come in in the morning for a story, but not for sleeping.

Also I started by making his bedroom somewhere we played each day for a bit so positive associate with his room. I try not to be negative regarding getting into his bed and never use his bed or bedroom as a punishment.

Yanbu!! A few of my friends did this with really good results!

Chips please may I have the plan! If it works I will be forever in your debt. I have no idea how to PM though using my iPhone App?!

The sleep plan is normally tailored to the individual child and they ask loads of questions and visit to check there is nothing in their environment or medical keeping them awake.

Apart from this, the consultants make their money by people buying their plans so there will be a clause in your contract saying not for copying / distribution or for anyone other than you so sending it on to other people is against their terms and conditions

I have had two very different experiences as had a 7 month old who woke to feed every 2 hours and could only get back to sleep by feeding and was getting worse and worse

One I found who was recommended by an expert who was too booked up to see me. She came round and talked to me for a couple of hours and watched me feed and actually diagnosed (correctly) tongue tie. She said to get this sorted and it would improve sleep. It did for a few nights (and revolutionised feeding in the day) but I think the waking up was so engrained by then that it didn't work very well. Then she just dropped off the fave of the earth. She took on average a week to respond to emails and each one was to ask for an updated 24 hour detailed diary which was a pain to fill in in the middle of the night. She then said I needed to sort daytime naps and sent a napping schedule which was 2x 1 hour naps and 1 x 2 hour nap, with no detail of how to get the baby to axrally fall asleep or stay asleep. It didn't work as it was just too much sleep for the baby. I asked for my money back and she just said try x y and z and asked for more diaries and sent through more napping schedules and I just gave up eventually.

Things got so bad I tried another one. This one I found recommended on a local Facebook sites so there were lots of people it had worked for. I asked her so many questions and would recommend you check these -

• what info will you need for me
• How detailed will the sleep plan be (I Wanted step by step-by-step)
• Is there troubleshooting in the plan for example if it says nap for 1 hour then a 3 hour break before bed, what happens if they only nap half an hour
• What follow up support is available (so the second lady phoned every day if I wanted for the first week and corresponded by what's app answering all my questions for 2 weeks)
• What types of methods do you use (some use gradual methods some use CIO, the one that worked for us was somewhere in between)
• What happens if we follow your method exactly and it just doest work (eg continued support, money back etc

The difference between the two we used was extreme. The methods the second one used weren't revolutionary (basically the disappearing chair method) but I really felt like I knew exactly what to do in all eventualities and she was there what sapping me when I thought I couldn't go through with it when the baby was crying, she was very supportive. It's basically paying for someone to make you follow through with what you read about on the Internet! The first one I didn't check her service standards so felt I couldn't complain about the one line one email per week.

I would recommend the good one to anyone. The first night our baby woke once and the second and since then (except when ill) has slept through even when we are away. I still occasionally text her like the best way to cope with the clock change. It was 300 I think but she worked for it and changed our life!