To not pay childminder for Xmas day

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My DS’s childminder wants me to pay her for Xmas day & Boxing Day when she’s not even open?? Is this normal

I take umbridge with people who say self employed people shouldn’t get paid for holiday pay. Why not? We manage our own fees and set our own prices, we can charge what we like, it’s up to people whether they agree, and for the past 6yrs, I have had families more than willing to pay me.
Incidentally I only have 15 days off a year, a week over Christmas being one of them. I also know my hourly fees are cheaper than some of my local CMs who charge up to £75 a day to make up for the loss of holiday pay.
We are no less deserving just because we don’t have an employer

"I think this is a bit cheeky as surely she is Self Employed and so shouldn't get holiday pay/ Sick pay . I would not be happy if a CM put this in my contract"

The fees charged by a CM who doesn't specify holiday pay in his/her contract will be higher to account for loss of income during time off. Fine if you prefer it that way, but it's not 'cheeky'. It's just different.

Ha bank holidays my arse

Once she starts doing tax returns as being self employed I'll start paying her 'by the books'

No one cash in hand gets paid bank holidays who does she think she is

”No one cash in hand gets paid bank holidays who does she think she is”

Can’t see anywhere the OP saying her CM is paid cash in hand and doesn’t do her books properly?

Totally depends... you need a contract for both your sakes

She might not be able to pay the rent without the day she'd normally work... but then if she had a contract she'd have covered herself

I used to get paid "cash in hand", it still went through my books via invoices and receipts and was included on my self-assessment. Cash in hand doesn't mean someone is on the fiddle. I accepted cash, bank transfer, and standing order. No cheques though because it was too much faff having to go to the bank to pay them in and, for late payers or new clients, too high a risk of them turning out to be rubber.

Er....no contract op?

I worked in a job that meant I worked bank holidays from time to time. Mine tried charging for these but was closed meaning I had to pay twice. I was self employed and If I didn't work, I wasn't paid. I think the issue was the thought of paying for something I didn't get. She had six kids there of different ages so was on £36 per hour, more than me at the time!
I argued my point and we agreed that she would not charge me. I was the only parent that paid on time, every time - she told me this.
It is a bit like getting free postage. It is not free but in the price but you perceive it to be better value.

*iLoveFoood

Ha bank holidays my arse

Once she starts doing tax returns as being self employed I'll start paying her 'by the books'

No one cash in hand gets paid bank holidays who does she think she is grin*

It’s time for the mumset classic:

Are you on glue? Or are you just going for most ridiculous comment on the thread?

OP indicated there's no contract or set fixture, which probably means it's cash in hand and casual, if I was paying someone to mind my child and there were no books I would not expect to pay them holidays or for them to obtain of any of the perks of being in 'real employment'

@EwItsAHooman yes, I myself worked 'cash in hand' for an employer when I was younger for about two years. I was registered, eventually with the PAYE (pay as your earn) revenue in Ireland however got the very basic treatment. No paid holidays, no holiday money owed to me when I left etc.

Unless OPs childminder is registered as a self employed child minder I would not expect to treat her as one, inclusive of paid bank holidays or any public holidays. I would pay her what she works.

OP indicated there's no contract or set fixture, which probably means it's cash in hand and casual, if I was paying someone to mind my child and there were no books I would not expect to pay them holidays or for them to obtain of any of the perks of being in 'real employment'

If this is the case then the OP will quickly find she does not have a childminder for her child after Christmas and will probably need to pay more for someone who has all the perks of ‘real employment’! All of a sudden, that refusal to pay will be an expensive decision.

Personally I very much value anyone who looks after my child and if I had more money I would happily pay more. So I would not begrudge them paid holidays and if I did, I would change childminder rather than have someone who resented me looking after a child of mine.

Where I am you get the option to pay for bank holidays or not. However if you choose not to, then you do have to basically re-enrol the child after every bank holiday and run the risk of losing their place. It’s across the board for childminders.

Tell her you will pay her when you drop the kids off on Christmas Day Morning!

I'm a childminder, and what a lot of you don't understand is that a lot of the time we can't actually set or own pricing etc, I'm classed as self employed but most of my income comes from funded childcare places where the LA sets the rate are which I'm paid, And I'm legally not allowed to charge the difference between my hourly rate and the rate they dictate they will pay me. In my case it's a difference of over a pound pet child per hour.
I have 4 funded children, each having 30 hours per week so I'm more than £120 a week worse off before I start.
I am allowed to charge for food etc and I now have to.
I'm not paid cash in hand by anyone, most money comes via childcare vouchers or the funding.
I am legally limited to 3 full time children a day. Just 3. So again my earning potential is limited.
I follow the full eyfs, just like every other childminder or nursery and have to have insurance, business car insurance, data protection registration, ofsted registration, safeguarding and first aid training all of which cost money and take out of the limited takings I can charge.
I provide craft activities, toys, outings.
I work an 11 hour day.
My local authority gives me £3.68 per hour per child, £11.04 per hour before expenses is the maximum I can earn.
The maximum.
Some days I earn £3.68 per hour before expenses.
This all goes through my books and I pay tax and national nsurance just like anyone else.
I love my job and I love the children.
But don't tell me childminders are on a good deal and are piss takers, because quite frankly you are showing your own ignorance and it makes you look really stupid.

You should have a contract, check your minder is registered, has insurance Etc of not you don't have a leg to stand on.

@DangerousBeanz loads of childminders and nurseries around here (surrey) don’t accept 30 hours funding, only 15 (maximum). they loose too much money ... its a hard job and not well paid

I have paid mine for Christmas Day. I appreciate her and want to maintain her. Saying that it is after school pick up so doesn’t break the bank.

Are you tempted to deliver your child there at the usual time...?

Quite frankly, if she’s not open then I’d tell her to do one. My CM doesn’t charge for any day she is closed. The poor love barely takes any hols anyway, but I’d be pissed off if she tried to charge when she wasn’t working.

Check your contract it will say what payment is due on bank holidays. I charge for bank hols and don’t work them if they fall on a child’s usual day. I don’t charge for Christmas as it falls in the middle of my time off ie 21st to 27th. I explain my reasons at initial interview and parents can chose whether to use me and pay. Or not. I charge no fee for my hols but full fee for parents hols or time off.

If you want to keep her happy. She looks after your kids?

Sorry, cross post with Nightwatch 😁

Check your contract. If your usual days are Tuesdays and Wednesdays then yes, most CMs will charge.
They would have to specify that they won't ever do BHs and won't charge.

ToffyAC, you sound charming! No wonder your CM never takes holidays!