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To think tube drivers are overpaid as most earn 60-70k and get free travel

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nickiredcar · 17/12/2018 10:04

Surely they are only paid so much because they run a monopoly and people have no choice. I think it's an argument against unions. Considering lots are semi automatic it does seem too high that they are now out earning pilots.

Apparently they are striking because one of their drivers was sacked for failing drugs tests at work three times Confused

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nickiredcar · 17/12/2018 14:07

When you have experienced someone being killed by your train you realise why they get paid why they do.

Plenty have to deal with far worse situations and don't get paid huge sums. They are paid alot because of their unique position and the power they have.

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GodrestyemerrySchadenfreud · 17/12/2018 14:08

so why not move some jobs and opportunities to other UK cities to spread the demand out more evenly?

I live in the NE.

Decent jobs - in fact any jobs - are like hen's teeth. We would LOVE this to happen, and plenty of other areas of the North would, too.

southnownorth · 17/12/2018 14:09

Absolute nonsense OP.

Polarbearflavour · 17/12/2018 14:09

I’m more inclined to ask why one in five workers earn less than the living wage.

RedToothBrush · 17/12/2018 14:09

What happens to a tube driver who is witness to a suicide or a suicide attempt?

They suffer trauma and distress. Its a health related risk.

Between 2015 and 2016, 91 Tube drivers sought counselling for person under the train incidents.
www.cityam.com/260763/exclusive-tfl-staff-suffer-stress-anxiety-and-depression

I make that slightly over 2% of drivers who are exposed to an incident where they were involved in an incident with someone under a train. And thats assuming everyone took up counselling. Thats not insignificant.

As a rule, any job which carries a high risk to your personal health tends to be paid above the level of other jobs.

Certain lines are much higher risk than others; stations near psychiatric hospitals are particularly bad. There are also certain times which are particularly bad. In 2016, there were three deaths on in the first 9 hours of the year, for example.

(I also understand that the last official figures were from around 6 years ago, and there is a connection between austerity and suicide).

The job is also anti-social with its hours. That gets a higher wage too.

And you have to live in London, so the job demands London rates. Its fine to say you get free transport as the perk of the job, but the rest of your family don't.

The figure includes a pension. (Also taking into consideration the high to health with risk of PTSD from a suicide which could limit your capacity to work).

Far from the average tube driver earning £100,000 the figures are as follows:

£100,000 or more - 9 operators
£80,000 to £99,999 - 30 operators
£70,000 to £79,999 - 100 operators
£60,000 to £69,999 - 3145 operators
Under £60,000* - 902 operators

  • This may include those owed money, on reduced sick pay or work part time.

So the idea that tube drivers are earning £100,000 applies to 9 individuals.

What do those 9 do? Well I doubt that anyone can train other drivers if they are not a driver with a lot of experience themselves. They are not just drivers. Do we really expect drivers who train others to earn what all the others earn? Really? Or would we would expect them to earn a certain amount more than an ordinary driver?

So we have the majority of drivers earning £60,000 - 69,999 for doing a high risk job, with anti-social hours in London and people are complaining about how much they get paid.

All because of NINE employees who earn more.

Nine employees who must be pretty important to the service to merit their pay checks and earning more than all the other train drivers.

Yes, £100,000 is A LOT of money (particularly to those of us outside London), but I do think the whole story and outrage over it, is somewhat overblown and out of proportion.

Boohooyouho · 17/12/2018 14:10

Did you even read the part about him have a trace of hemp in a protein drink which gave the result?

AbsoluteBeginners7 · 17/12/2018 14:11

Once again, the salary is £55k. I'll get a payslip.

It's very rare to get a train manager who has previously been a driver. Those are always the best managers for us as they know the realities of our job. Most managers these days come in through the TFL graduate or apprenticeship programmes.

ohwellinthatcasetryprunes · 17/12/2018 14:14

Yeah well, if you want to talk about being overpaid, most footballers earn that much in a week.

Kemer2018 · 17/12/2018 14:15

I'm considering applying for driver training! Hardly any interaction, fab pay, union protection, fab holidays.
Sounds great! Nice if they can get away with it. I'd do the same in their shoes.

AbsoluteBeginners7 · 17/12/2018 14:17

From my payslip. Tube driver salary £55,011
Not £100k, or £60-70k

To think tube drivers are overpaid as most earn 60-70k and get free travel
nickiredcar · 17/12/2018 14:19

Footballers don't hold us to ransom over travel.

Has anyone here even tried to say they earn 100k Confused

It's been said since the start that most earn 60-70k so why are people countering an argument no one is making. The newspapers used 100k as a headline not us here.

Source for a hemp drink?

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canigetaliein · 17/12/2018 14:20

I’m not sure why the free travel is such an issue, the Met get free tube & bus & most people get some form of discount with their work.

BarbaraofSevillle · 17/12/2018 14:21

The £60-70k is probably the amount including pension and possibly employer's NI costs.

nickiredcar · 17/12/2018 14:21

Absolute you're one of the minority earning the starting wage. How does that disprove that most earn 60-70k as shown in the food Confused

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abacucat · 17/12/2018 14:23

As a rule, any job which carries a high risk to your personal health tends to be paid above the level of other jobs.
That is imply not true. It should be the case, but it is not.

southnownorth · 17/12/2018 14:24

If it makes you feel better my DH doesn't get free travel, he's on the freight side.

canigetaliein · 17/12/2018 14:25

nickiredcar as already mentioned by a number of poster sales I believe the higher figures are including benefits & pension.

nickiredcar · 17/12/2018 14:26

The free travel is worth a fortune.

Not many at all get discounted tfl rates with their work. If you are unemployed for 6 months and sign on I think you get it half price if they decide you are worthy enough to get a discount card for at most 3 months.

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Believeitornot · 17/12/2018 14:29

So, @nickiredcar is the answer that we should all be paid a shit wage then.....

Let’s race to the bottom shall we?

Personally I think the likes of chief executives etc are massively overpaid for what they do. Especially as their success is off the backs of lower paid workers.

Instead of moaning about a particular profession, why not complain about the low salaries of others?

Believeitornot · 17/12/2018 14:30

And the total remuneration includes base pay and employer pension contributions - so the figures quoted of £60k etc etc is not quite the same as their take home pay.

PostmanBos · 17/12/2018 14:32

It was the late great trade union leader Bob Crow who got them these good wages and he can rest in peace knowing he did his bit for the working man and woman. Id rather see this money go to a tube driver than all the fat cat business owners who are so quick to cut people's wages where ever they can.

southnownorth · 17/12/2018 14:32

How much should they be paid then @nickiredcar?

Can you give a figure?

whatsthecomingoverthehill · 17/12/2018 14:34

I haven't seen anyone counter the argument that they get paid what they do because of the disruption they cause when they go on strike. Is that reasonable and fair?

BarbarianMum · 17/12/2018 14:34

Nah we should all be paid a huge wage. That'd work. Hmm

icannotremember · 17/12/2018 14:34

2/10 for effort

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