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to think that the Royal Hotel in Hull are being unreasonable

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brizzledrizzle · 17/12/2018 09:05

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46587353

Homeless people in Hull who were set to stay in hotel rooms over Christmas have had their booking cancelled.

Carl Simpson, founder of the Raise the Roof Homeless Project, told the BBC he paid £1,092 for 14 twin rooms at the Royal Hotel in Hull, part of the Britannia Hotels group.

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Arnoldthecat · 17/12/2018 16:38

A few things spring to mind,;

Whilst there are plenty of perfectly well adjusted and respectable homeless people, so many have other issues going on that their accommodation in a public hotel is not acceptable. If i were staying there i wouldnt want to share my space with drunks,drug addicts,prostitutes and aggressive people with MH issues.

Those who wish to may feel free to open their spare room up and offer it.

Also most Britannia hotels are middens so i wouldnt stay there anyway.

WilburforceRaven · 17/12/2018 16:42

Ibis is a dump, too. Kept up all night by a stag party and they just shrugged.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/12/2018 16:51

the difference between this and the premier inn situation is that the company were told upfront that it was for a homeless booking and accepted it

Given that the media often publish only those bits which make a good story, I'm just wondering if anyone actually knows this for a fact? After all, last year plenty insisted that the Premier Inn "knew about it" too ...

Jaxhog · 17/12/2018 16:54

It's a really tough one. We stayed in a hotel in Canada a couple of years ago that housed the homeless long term in their annexe. We had to leave our room in the middle of the night due to an overflowed sink and toilet (not sure which) in the room above. There was unknown water dripping through the ceiling onto my husband in bed. When we arrived, the smell in the coridoors was pretty awful too. The hotel hadn't told us about their other residents. They did find us an alternative room in their main building, but breakfast was 'interesting' to say the least. I would not stay there again.

I don't have a problem with Hotels housing the homeless, especially at Christmas. But spare a thought for the other guests who may be far from happy about paying to stay in that Hotel while they are there. I suspect that the Hotel suddenly realized that no-one else wanted to stay there.

Thesearmsofmine · 17/12/2018 16:57

A spokesperson for the hotel said the company had been warned by a former project worker not to take the booking.
"We received a call from a lady... who worked for the charity last year," the spokesperson said.
"She had rung to warn us that the group had caused serious problems at the Ibis and that she felt we should not take the booking.
"Among the issues last year were trashing of rooms, fires, theft of hotel goods and property and damage to property.
"The hotel has a number of families and tours staying at the hotel over the Christmas period which we feel would suffer if the booking was taken."
The spokesperson added that the hotel would reinstate the booking, with conditions.

From this article www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46587353

Thesearmsofmine · 17/12/2018 17:06

It has reminded me of a story from a couple of years ago where a lady arranged for a homeless couple to stay at a hotel and they trashed the room causing £1000 worth of damage.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/12098815/Woman-who-helped-homeless-off-streets-for-Christmas-devastated-after-they-trashed-hotel-room.html

LoadOfUtterBoswellocks · 17/12/2018 17:09

There were PLENTY of issues with last year's attempt: Among the issues last year were trashing of rooms, fires, theft of hotel goods and property and damage to property.

WilburforceRaven · 17/12/2018 17:11

It's funny how all these people arrange for them to stay in a hotel but not their own homes (along come the apologists, maybe they live in a bedsit/shared house/tent/caravan).

LoadOfUtterBoswellocks · 17/12/2018 17:12

I see that it's well meaning, but it's not been thought through. The root causes of homelessness, which can happen to anyone, are what need to be tackled: complex health needs, stacked odds in favour of landlords, woeful management of social services and funding, all those sorts of things.

ReanimatedSGB · 17/12/2018 17:14

I have a family member who works with homeless people: a well-run organisation would at least try to vet who they offered the hotel rooms to given that some homeless people are unpredictable, have MH and substance abuse issues, etc. But I can see the hotel's point in that their staff are not trained in dealing with those who have complex needs, and their insurers might not be happy to cover any damage caused by what could be percieved as a high-risk booking.

But I also wonder about the 'former charity worker' who contacted the hotel and advised them to cancel the booking. Could that be a shit-stirrer, or a rather creative individual who spotted a way to get extra publicity and cash for the charity?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/12/2018 17:29

I also wonder about the 'former charity worker' who contacted the hotel and advised them to cancel the booking. Could that be a shit-stirrer, or a rather creative individual who spotted a way to get extra publicity and cash for the charity?

It's an interesting point, and yes I saw this bit about the warning they received - but it's still not clear whether the hotel knowingly booked the homeless in and thought again after the warning, or if they genuinely didn't know/weren't told and found out who they'd booked when the warning came

INeedanInterestingUsername · 17/12/2018 17:31

A couple years ago, my office booked me into a hotel due to various meetings around a conference. I showed up at the hotel, checked in and went up to my room. As I was in a city centre, I didn't think anything about the drunk, smelly men making passes at me when I walked into the hotel. I was a bit surprised to find the drunk, smelly men making a pass at me in the elevator up to my floor and then further drunk, smelly men making a pass at me in the corridor I had to walk down to get to my room.

When I made it safely into my room, I phoned down to reception. 'WTH is going on??' was the gist of my enquiry and I was told that the hotel had booked for homeless to stay until 'alternative accommodation could be found'. These drunk, smelly men banged on my door all night. No one 'monitored' them, no one told them to stop, they seemed to be have been dropped off and left to do whatever the hell they wanted.

They were loud, obnoxious and I was scared to leave my room to go to dinner. I phoned my office, told them there was no way in hell I was staying at that place but due to the time I couldn't leave that night as no more trains or flights until morning. All night I sat in my room, wide awake terrified wondering if they would be able to break into my room. The next morning I got all my things, cracked my door open slightly to see if anyone was in the corridor. At the same time, the door opposite opened slightly and a woman looked across at me. Turns out, we had both spent a terrifying night, wide awake and hoping to escape by morning. We decided to go together. There were drunk, smelly men sprawled out on the floor whom we stepped over all the way down the corridor towards the elevator. Fortunately, no one got into the elevator with us and we both made it safely downstairs and checked out without eating our pre-paid for breakfast.

I walked to the station and took the first train home. After that experience I no longer cared about the meetings I just wanted to feel safe. My office (fortunately) understood and were extremely apologetic for booking me into that hotel as they had no idea who the other guests would be. My office have since cancelled their account with that hotel and haven't used it since. I will never book that hotel chain again either.

It's shocking that someone could pay for a room, thinking it will be a nice, clean place to stay and turn up to find drunks, drug addicts and potentially dangerous groups staying. I would have been fuming if I'd personally paid for the week and then had to find somewhere else to stay because the hotel wasn't safe. (not for the guests and probably not for the staff)

Homelessness is a problem and I don't know what the solution is, but booking these people into 'nice' hotels isn't helping anyone.

SummerGems · 17/12/2018 17:34

Well, I note that the Ibis haven’t come out and denied the allegations made about the booking from last year. If there hadn’t been issues this would have been a perfect opportunity for them to gain some positive advertising in their own right by issuing a statement along the lines of “we can confirm that we took a booking from last year and that the individuals who stayed had a lovely time here. We regret that due to already being fully booked this year we were unable to repeat the hospitality this year....” but nothing.

I don’t blame the hotel. I also think that it’s interesting that these people all open up someone else’s property to potential damage, and other individuals to potential abuse and risk, I wonder if the bloke arranging this hotel stay will be staying there as well? With his children perhaps? No don’t imagine he will.

Thesearmsofmine · 17/12/2018 17:38

They might have known on booking but have been reassured by the organiser that last year it went smoothly and were then advised otherwise. It is difficult because in the case I linked above the hotel wrote off the £1000 damage to the room but it wouldn’t be so easy with 14 rooms and I guess they don’t want to take the risk.
I guess we will never really know if they were told tbh.

The rise in homelessness makes me so angry. In our fairly small town there are now many people sleeping rough. There used to be one homeless man who we saw regularly in the town centre, now there are many. It can happen to anyone.

WilburforceRaven · 17/12/2018 17:44

Ibis is a chain I definitely avoid due to lax security.

WilburforceRaven · 17/12/2018 17:45

Exactly, Summer.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/12/2018 18:03

They might have known on booking but have been reassured by the organiser that last year it went smoothly and were then advised otherwise

Yes, I agree that's possible ... I also suspect I won't be alone in wondering just how "booked up" that Ibis really is

Either way, it seems this is becoming a predictable seasonal headline - like the "winter wonderlands" which turn out to be a muddy field and a few tatty sheds but with more angst

SummerGems · 17/12/2018 18:16

I’d imagine the ibis isn’t so much “booked up” as “unavailable” Wink

I also imagine that taking block bookings for homeless charities will become like block bookings for hen/stag parties where a lot of establishments simply won’t accept them in the future.

WilburforceRaven · 17/12/2018 18:18

They've reversed their decision.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/12/2018 18:38

Wilburforce do you mean the original one, or that they're now going to accommodate the homeless people?

I can't see any updates online to suggest the situation's changed ...

Slipperboots · 17/12/2018 18:54

My home town promises ‘only one night out’ and they will guarantee you accommodation. Many of the homeless don’t want to go though as there is no drink/drugs allowed.
Others won’t go because of the threats of violence.
I don’t think putting them in the hotel unsupervised is the answer. I don’t know what the answer is and the problem is no one does. It’s a hugely complex issue.

WilburforceRaven · 17/12/2018 19:02

The Royal Hotel reversed its decision. It was on BBC national news tonight.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/12/2018 19:07

I've only just noticed that the Hull hotel is part of the Britannia Group

No doubt some of them are fine, but given their overall reputation we might almost ask what the homeless folk did to deserve it Hmm

www.itv.com/news/2018-11-03/britannia-named-worst-uk-hotel-chain-for-sixth-consecutive-year/

Thesearmsofmine · 17/12/2018 19:12

The hotel did say they would reinstate the bookings with certain conditions(as quoted above) so perhaps they have been met?

Arnoldthecat · 17/12/2018 19:28

Why are people so concerned about the homeless at Christmas and yet apparently dont give them a second thought the rest of the year? The media are the worst for it. They are just using homeless people to fill their pages and others are perhaps just easing their conscience before engaging in festive gorging and largesse.