AIBU to leave my engine running for ten mins at 6.45 each morning (M-F)?

[ThreeJumpersIsNotEnough]

Neighbours have just come to the door with a Christmas card and a polite request to be more quiet in the mornings.

I usually leave at 7am to drop dd at breakfast club and get myself to work at 8am (I work Mon-Fri only - no weekends).

Now it's getting colder, the car is unbearably cold in the mornings so last week I started nipping out 10-15 mins earlier while dd was brushing her teeth so the car would be warm for us getting in and the frost/ice would be mostly melted from the window.

Neighbours have revealed that they are normally woken by me leaving most mornings at 7am but they can put up with it as I leave immediately so they are able to go back to sleep. However, they are not willing to put up with what I've been doing recently as they have found it impossible to go back to sleep having been awake for so long waiting for me to leave with the engine running ...

They have suggested I park further away from the house.

This is my first winter with these neighbours. They only moved in beginning of the year and we're polite to each other but not any more than 'hello' acquaintances. We live very rurally - just our two houses - in woodland area. Any noise carries and it is mostly silent (why I moved here - now I'm the one being a noise pest, it would appear). No street lights. 5 minute drive down our landlord's private (god awful road) onto the public road where there are other houses.

If I parked further away, that is further for me and DD to walk to the car each morning - in the pitch black - with our bags. Likewise, it is further for us to walk to the house each evening when we get back.

Not sure what the solution is. I told them I wasn't keen to park farther away (due to the above concerns) but they've asked me to give it a try at least for tomorrow. I've agreed to try it.

AIBU to ask for your ideas on what a peaceful resolution to this would be?

And they have to put up with it ... What are their options? It's 15mins, not hours of crying baby or loud music

Wrt emissions. Yes ok bad. But I don't see the same posters telling off people who fly long haul, or use normal light bulbs not energy savings, who use hair spray, who drive to work rather than bike, who make non essential journeys ...

Maiden you never asked those views

You need to be careful. You are legally not allowed to leave the engine running and not be with the vehicle. If something were to happen, you would be liable.

Either accept that you have to put up with a cold car in the morning or be like us and have an electric car. No stupid engine noise and I can pre-heat the car from the house so I don't have to go outside.

It's really quite odd that, rather than just scraping off ice and wiping off any mist, people would rather spend what, over the winter, will come to quite a lot of money burning petrol to achieve the same thing.

I use the left over washing up water, warm not hot and it deuces quickly. Hop in car and turn on engine. Live on a hill so often get frosts.

Yes it’s noisy and antisocial so YABU. Also it’s illegal to have the car engine running and not be in it. Your neighbors have expressed this politely and need credit for that. Just wrap up warm and get straight in quietly (even voices carry) and go. You will warm up quickly

Madein- so because you don't actually drive and you rely on your parents for lifts- that some how makes it more acceptable

I am not exactly tactful and yes I would. Neighbours tend not to wind me up if they can avoid it.

Course you would. You’re Phil Mitchell innit.

Awful thing to do!! How selfish! YABU

Cheaper to burn fuel than crash due to misty window or smeary window plus sun. I scrape then wait cursing impatiently until the mist clears. Every time I have tried to hurry the demisting process I have regretted it and had to pull over!

No, not more acceptable. (Not that there's anything unacceptable about it anyway!). Just making the point that even as a non driver, I can see the ridiculousness of ops neighbors and others on here. That it's not just drivers who are 'entitled' (read : put their own needs first!)

For all those merrily burning fossil fuels,breaking the law and pissing off their neighbours, simple reusable solutions been said on this thread by very helpful PPs.

Yes sharing lifts does make someone better ecologically.

Also, no, you're unlikelt to get banged up as someone so eloquently put it, but is that seriously what it takes for some to respect the environment and others in close proximity???!!! Seriously, threat of prison just to show some consideration to others and consider the catastrophic impact on the natural habitat of the creatures of the planet.

It is illegal,in Westminster its an £80 pcn, just like a parking pcn.

There is such a thing as a windscreen cover, which can be shipped away in a flash on icy mornings, which is imperceptible to anyone! And no more damaged wiper blades from the ice.

For those that can't get their chamois 'to work' Chamois does what it does, it doesn't 'work' for some people and not for others.

I can barely hear a kaarcher window vacuum so to 'worry' about it making a noise (in comparison to a car engine) well, draw your own conclusions.

Whether you drive the car or not makes little difference. The car is being driven because of you. I consider a non driver to be someone who walks, cycles or uses public transport.

It’s only an offence if your on a public road as there is a private land exemption. The OP isn’t on a public road.

Whether you drive the car or not makes little difference. The car is being driven because of you

If you are talking about the car idling as opposed to being driven @masterandmargarita that's not the case. Look up the stats on the additional polluting effects of idling.

You would apply this 'principle' of yours miss to drink driving? Not wearing seatbeats? Speeding? Other dangerous activities, assuming yourself to be 'above the law' because of the private land?

How very 'don't-give-a-shit' of you

I have poured a jug of warm water on my frozen windscreen for the past 30 years. Never had s problem. Just don’t use hot water.

As well as being illegal and inconsiderate your insurance will also be invalid.

master the law doesn't agree with you. A non driver is someone who doesn't drive a car, who diesnt have a license

Speaking of the law - I'm sure there's hoardes or policemen just waiting to arrest motorists at 6am for letting their cars warm off. After all, they just have cuts, staff shortages, drinks, single crewed cars, murders, stabbings, drug dealers, assaults, domestic abuse, child abuse, on their mind. Nothing pressing at all. I bet the hoghlight of their day is arresting motorists like op

miss quite right.

And it isn't above the law. It IS an exptiom to the law. You do not have to wear seatbelts on private land, no. Nor do you have to wait until you're 17 to drive a car (case in point, my school allowed us a few free driving lessons at 16 on the land. It was allowed as it's private land)

Oh dear Shriek how can someone consider themself to be above the law when they aren’t breaking the law because they’re
on private land? Do you know what above the law means? Didn’t think it through before posting did you?

In any case where did I say I leave my car with the engine running? You can’t find the post can you?

I posted because so many posters have mistakenly stated that what the poster is doing is illegal when it isn’t.

They will be ticketed like pcn parking fines, and hopefully the blue brigade wl get powers to do this, asnd hopefully pay some revenue into under-funded policing.

This argument is non-argument that just because police don't have resources to police everything they are charged with policing that we should become a more anarchic and publicly irresponsible and inconsiderate country.

The whole premis of law and respect starts with issues like this. There seems to be far too little respect to others and consideration of an individual's impact negatively upon others. Never mind the shitscape that is our environmental future now.

Shriek how can you get a PCN for leaving your engine on whilst on private land?