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To be depressed at low level of wages?

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abacucat · 03/12/2018 14:45

I am looking for a new job and wages where I live have fallen to what people used to be paid 10 plus years ago. Even qualified social worker jobs are starting at £24,000. I am not a qualified social worker by the way, just an example. But there are so many jobs asking for a high level of skills and experience, but a low level of pay. And the few jobs paying anywhere approaching decent wages, are inundated with candidates.

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Youmadorwhat · 08/12/2018 16:51

We don’t tend to have general TA’s here in Ireland but we do have SNA’s (special needs assistants) their pay scales are as attached!! The U.K. wages really are truly appalling!! Tax isn’t really that much more over here it’s all much of a muchness

To be depressed at low level of wages?
Youmadorwhat · 08/12/2018 16:53

And may I add that most school staff in Ireland have left the school by half3/4oclock max!!

gluteustothemaximus · 08/12/2018 16:53

20 years ago, I had a starting salary of 17k in an office/admin based role.

You could not get the same around here for that now. It's around 14k at the moment for a similar role. How is that possible in 2 decades?!?

RedBlu · 08/12/2018 16:53

About ten years ago, I was doing an "admin" role and when I joined the company I was paid around £12/13k, when I left that team about five years later, I was on £19k.

The same role was advertised earlier this year for £17k, so five years after I left it on £19k. I was surprised by this. It was and still is quite a technical role with lots of knowledge required about the business area.

In comparison, my employer is a "living wage employer", which no one is paid less than £7.83 (assuming over 25), so for a 35 hour week - roughly around £14k, if it's a 40 hour week like most that's just over £16k.

So they expect someone with the required skills and knowledge to work for slightly more than LW?

I think the problem is some employers are finding it tough to pay for the NMW increases so they don't increase the salaries of people already above this. My DP had a skilled qualification at his old job which historically always meant anyone with this qualification was paid slightly more than those without it - when the NMW kept increasing, the employer had to put those wages up, but didn't increase anyone else's so eventually the staff who were qualified were being paid the same as those who didn't have the qualification - which meant lots of those with the qualification just left.

In other example, I am currently on £29k after five years in my job (which started at £21k), we are now advertising for a vacancy at the grade below me, when I started the grade below started at £19k, they are advertising at £16.5k Shock

Mumof1andacat · 08/12/2018 17:21

My friend was a band 4 associate practitioner in the nhs after having completed a two year foundation degree. She has now completed a further 2 years at uni to become a band 5 nurse.she is £1 better off an hour.

GreenKangaroo · 08/12/2018 17:27

It is in part due to benefits. Some people get tops ups which bring down wages overall. The whole benefits and tax system needs an overhaul. We don’t pay real prices for goods for the same reason. We need to pay real prices.

Polarbearflavour · 08/12/2018 19:37

About 13 years ago as a student, I worked part time in retail. The concession manager advertised for a full time senior sales assistant and laughed when one of the candidates wanted £15k a year - that was more than the manager earned! I think a senior sales assistant earned around £12k!

At that time, basic office admin jobs in my town paid around £14-18k and it was seen as being “better” than working retail.

Minimum wage has gone up in that time so now an office admin and retail worker might both earn around 15k or minimum wage, for a 40 hour week!

PebbleDashed · 08/12/2018 20:25

IME all the middle income jobs have more or less gone too: there's low 'assistant' wages and then nothing until the top level management. Not many positions to apply for and what there is has had wages cut. It's all very well flattening out society, but not when it means creating two mutually-exclusive tiers.

TheSilentLamb · 08/12/2018 20:31

I heard that there's no point in working more than 16 hours a week and claiming tax credits these days if you're a family unless you're on at least 70k. Hardly any difference in take home pay thanks to marginal rates. So no wonder employers arent raising - they are subsidised by the govermment!

I think it was broken down in an article in the spectator.

www.google.de/amp/s/blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/07/the-tax-trap-why-a-70k-family-isnt-much-wealthier-than-a-minimum-wage-family/amp/

Strange system!

luckybird07 · 08/12/2018 21:08

I miss friends and family in the UK but threads like this remind me why we would be daft to ever move back. Just for comparison the average teacher salary in my area is the equivalent of 59 K sterling a year, with no responsibilities beyond the classroom. The average pension is $39k for a teacher but if you are lucky enough to get 40 years in you actually get 96% of your final salary and that is the highest final three year average of your salary. I am still in shock that this seems very normal to my colleagues-who plan on striking to get a 6 % pay rise. I have never worked somewhere with such a powerful union and I have to say I like it. If I cover a lesson I have to be paid, if I do planning one day in the holidays, I get paid. If I have to stay after school for a meeting/training, I get paid. How is anyone affording to buy a home in the UK on these low wages. It is really very demoralising. I will bookmark this thread so next time I have a bad day at work I remember

I could have the same bad day and get paid a lot less. Have to get my bouts of homesickness in check as I don't see how we could afford to live in the UK on these types of wage.

Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 08/12/2018 21:23

Its the combination of the recession which meant companies stopped
raising pay and never started again
And high immigration in the last 20 years lowers pay at the bottom end. Supply and demand. I think a study came out recently dispelling that but I don’t believe it. Very low paid job in our area is taken by eastern Europeans who are happy to take the very low pay offered.

anniehm · 08/12/2018 21:27

Totally agree, jobs here are paying no more than I earned in a similar role in 1998! Manager roles with teams of 10+ and out of hours work are not even reaching £25k. DH doesn't understand either as he's on a nationally agreed salary scale!

WingingWonder · 08/12/2018 21:39

The industry I work in is fiercely competitive, 25 years ago a degree was preferred but not required, now they need firsts to stand out, and loads of good work experience.
15 years ago start salary was about £16.5k
It’s now about £18k
Private sector
It rises well later on/ but like 5+ years
The reality is that as a country we’re broke, no one is willing to pay more tax, no more cash is in the system and we all expect everything so cheaply- relatively speaking our cost of living is significantly lower than most developed countries- we expect huge food retailers to make little margin, yet pay more than minimum wage,
We expect teachers to be the best ever and manage complicated class needs, with less and less support/ see taxes
We expect doctors to be available always, but fail to arrive for appointments and everything to be free
Clothing should be cheap and ethical and available with free post 24/7 online...
So many example- we have to take some responsibility with expectations too.

SeaWitchly · 08/12/2018 21:47

You're always ill too because parents insist on sending their sick kids to school. Yes, because this is the other aspect of taking time off in any job these days... less staff to do more work and parents are scrutinized closely and judged for taking time off to care for sick children. And so many are on zero hours contracts where they don't get paid for time off anyway and I can see how parents convince themselves that little Johnny is really well enough to go to school Sad
My professional role in London has not had a pay rise since 2007 and meanwhile the cost of living goes up and up. It is utterly demoralising, expecially when you read advertisments a new job and realise they want a list of qualifications, skills and experience as long as your arm but only want to pay £20 - £30k for it. I know some people with professional qualifications on this thread are on less than this in London but I don't know how they cope with the cost of living and housing Sad.

Leggysy · 08/12/2018 22:18

@Jamieson90 I wholeheartedly agree with everything you've said. I'm also a TA and the responsibilities I carry are massive. Working with ANCO pupils, leading interventions, dealing with difficult parents, constantly being exposed to sickness.....just more and more and more duties being squeezed in and rinsing us dry. I am regularly left alone with my class, sometimes for an entire school day.

My wages are so low I don't even pay fucking tax.

dragonsteeth · 08/12/2018 22:35

YANBU. As a student, around the turn of the century I used to earn about £13 an hour on a Sunday in a pretty relaxed factory job, at a time when 50k would probably have bought a reasonably decent semi in the local town.

Nowadays even the likes of employers such as waitrose barely pay minimum wage, even to staff going in to do the 4am internet order picking shift. Workers in this country have definitely been screwed over.

SisterOfDonFrancisco · 08/12/2018 22:38

i just want house prices to be more realistic in comparison to wages. Or wages to seriously inflate to ridiculous levels.

Polarbearflavour · 08/12/2018 22:54

If people have no money to spend, do the companies worry about who will buy their goods and services?

All the big stores have constant sales on and the chain restaurants always have voucher codes for 20-40% off. How are they making money?

I always laugh at the property section in the Sunday Times. Who is buying all these homes for £1 million pounds upwards? Foreign investors? Not the average person. One in five workers earn the minimum wage.

APositiveMind · 08/12/2018 23:01

I'm a dental nurse, I wasn't very academic when I was younger bit I absolutely worked my ass off to qualify and 'set myself up with a career'.
When I researched salary for my role it looked promising.
Been qualified for 4 years now and I'm on little over 17.5k a year. Absolutely depressing when my private employers pay me less an hour than the person in Lidl. I worked so hard.. for nothing.

Polarbearflavour · 08/12/2018 23:09

APositiveMind - can you move into the NHS where you will earn more and move up the increments? Possibly train to be a dental hygienists. The military recruits dental nurses too and pays well...

APositiveMind · 08/12/2018 23:25

Hi polarbear.
I've heard such bad stories from nurses working in some local NHS practices that it has put me off, bit it's definitely an option.
I live in quote a rural area so I'm sure it would be hours travel to work in military although I did look at this as have always had in interest in working in the military!

missyB1 · 09/12/2018 08:51

Polarbear yes it is foreign investors buying a lot of the most expensive housing in certain areas. In our town that is certainly true. What’s really upsetting is when those properties are empty for long periods of the year.

Polarbearflavour · 09/12/2018 08:53

Hi APositiveMind! Would you rather be a dental nurse in a hospital do you think? Although you might not have any close by if you are rural. A lot of military establishments are in the middle of nowhere. DP is military and sometimes mentions that his latest intake has dental nurses or whatever. He’s always banging on about it being a good career with good pay. Smile

LucheroTena · 09/12/2018 08:59

A newly qualified nurse with a degree and the responsibilities of keeping sick people alive inc doing taking most tasks over from junior doctors earns £11.32 an hour. UK living wage is £9 an hour. The gap is closing. And they wonder why we can’t retain any.

Polarbearflavour · 09/12/2018 09:03

I just don’t understand how society is continuing to function. House owning is beyond the reach of many people - going to run into huge problems in a couple of decades when pensioners who have never been able to buy will need billions of pounds of welfare to help them pay rent. There will also be fewer homes being sold to pay for care.

Automation - it’ll be cheaper to automate than paying workers minimum wage to do an unskilled job. What happens to these people, some of whom perhaps won’t be able to retrain to do a more skilled / educated job?

With mass unemployment and low wages, how will the companies using automation keep going? Who exactly will the robots (for want of a better word) be selling things to?

Another poster hit on there bring lots of made up jobs around. YouTubers being one of them.

Who is going to fund pensions? Minimum wage workers on zero hours contracts in the “gig economy?”

That’s before we’ve even started on climate change...