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DH's behaviour

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smallpersonwrangler · 03/12/2018 08:16

Posting for unbiased opinions. I'll be showing this thread to him whatever the responses.

I had a baby 12 weeks ago and we have a 2.5 year old. I'm a sahm, he works full time. He is generally a great, loving and hands on Dad.

I have never been one to leave my babies when they are small. I don't judge those who do but I just don't feel the need. With my first, people went on and on at me (along the lines of 'you need a break') so much I did end up going on a night out when she was 7 weeks and again at about 12 ish weeks I think too. I didn't enjoy it and didn't want to go. We're surrounded by people who go out without their babies when they are tiny and my DH thinks is odd that I don't.

Anyway I've organised a night out for next weekend. Nothing excessive just dinner and a few drinks with friends I'm really looking forward to it. Baby will be nearly 14 weeks, is bottle fed now so should be fine and toddler will be in bed long before I go out. Am leaving them with their Dad.

This is where I need opinions. Because I'm not happy with his behaviour and it's making me doubt whether I should go and leave the baby with him and me actually saying that has made him very, very upset with me. Also he says I'm just making excuses not to go out and being a control freak not letting him deal with the baby in his way. I'll explain.

As I said he's a great Dad. He adores our children, he's very hands on and he spends as much time at home as he can. However. He just cannot deal with the baby whinging and crying in the evenings. He was the same with our first.

When I say he cannot deal with it specifically what I mean is he will make sure the baby is fed, clean, winded etc. Then he'll cuddle and rock to try to get to sleep BUT after a while when it doesn't work he starts to get annoyed. He'll huff and puff and say things angrily like 'for fucks sake baby, go to sleep' or 'what is fucking wrong with this kid!' Or 'please just go to fucking sleep!' but between his gritted teeth in a really horrible angry way. Sometimes for example if the baby spits up repeatedly and he has to change multiple outfits he'll end up chucking clothes across the floor in temper. That sort of thing. Baby has reflux (she's medicated and it's under control) and evenings have always been our tricky time. She is a grizzly bum in the evenings at the moment. Otherwise baby is really quite easy. She's sleeping through already so no excuse of being super sleep deprived like the early days or anything although he has been busier at work than normal.

He would never hurt our children. I am sure of that. He has never been violent towards me in nearly a decade of being together, he's not a violent or aggressive person. However this sort of behaviour when they baby is whingy in the evening really upsets me, I find it absolutely horrible and completely unacceptable. When I tell him that it always escalates into a row. I try to take the baby from him when he's like that and he usually refuses to hand her over, saying 'no, you need to let me settle her, I can't just give her to you all the time'. I rather take her and settle her myself nicely than let her go to sleep with him hissing in her ear.

I get that it's frustrating - it frustrates the life out of me when I've been running after a toddler all day and the baby won't settle long enough at night for us to eat dinner and chill for half hour. But that's life with a small baby- you just have to suck it up and get on with it! I'm not perfect, I've been known to mutter the odd 'FFS' under my breath. It's hard. But not this horrible, borderline aggressive behaviour.

This is the only time he's like it. He has improved a bit since we've fallen out over it numerous times but he's still doing it and it's making me not want to leave her with him next weekend. I can't bear the thought of not being here to comfort her and take over if he gets all cross.

Thoughts? What would you do?

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Ngaio2 · 03/12/2018 10:59

OP you are a caring protective mother and it would be nigh on impossible for you to enjoy your night out in these circumstances, which is a crying shame. Your DH needs to seek treatment for his anger issues; it’s just wrong to do what he is doing for all the reasons posted above. If he can be patient in other situations but crying is a trigger it may be relatively easy for a professional to identify the cause.

AutumnCrow · 03/12/2018 11:01

I'm not sure showing him the thread is such a good idea, tbh.

Zooples · 03/12/2018 11:03

I'd definitely not leave the baby with him for all the reasons above. Its just not a risk I'd want to take.

I used to get really frustrated with my baby dd (now 3) who didn't sleep for months but I never took it out on her, i left the room and cried or screamed into a pillow. I also self harmed in my darkest moments (hitting myself) which was pnd related and i had treatment for. Just to say that the frustration is real, it's normal to feel it, but categorically not normal or okay to direct it at a tiny baby.

smallpersonwrangler · 03/12/2018 11:04

@AutumnCrow Why not? I've said, he's not violent, I'm not scared of him in the slightest. He's sulking because I've had a go at him and it's hurt his feelings.

I'm hopeful that seeing some unbiased opinions from people who don't know us will open his eyes to the fact that his behaviour is not ok, and that it's not just me being precious or OTT.

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CleanBee · 03/12/2018 11:09

I doubt it OP. Honestly, if he's sulking because his feelings are hurt, his feelings are going to be even more hurt by this.

I think I'm a reasonably good mother but if I read a thread of people chiming in on one aspect of my behaviour I'd be gutted, and frankly it wouldn't put me in the right frame of mind to take it on board. I think you need to find a different way to address it.

Obviously you know him best, but most people don't respond well to confrontation, whatever form it takes.

sprouts21 · 03/12/2018 11:10

This is really serious. I don't think he'd be comfortable doing things like that in front of the health visitor.

smallpersonwrangler · 03/12/2018 11:19

@sprouts21 That's a good point and one I've said to him before. Well I said he wouldn't behave that way in front of his parents not the HV but same point.

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AtrociousCircumstance · 03/12/2018 11:22

Parenting is frustrating for every single parent.

His behaviour is fucking awful. Nasty piece of work.

AutumnCrow · 03/12/2018 11:25

If he's acting all hurt because of some private comments from you, how's he going to react to a whole Mumsnet thread? What if this gets picked up by the Mail?

I think you should get the thread deleted and start something more discreet in Relationships. But it's up to you obviously. I hope you're ok, genuinely. I'd be so very unhappy in your shoes.

TheViceOfReason · 03/12/2018 11:34

I would still leave the baby with him - however he does need to acknowledge that his behaviour is not acceptable and work on his way of coping with stress / frustration.

Whilst the baby doesn't understand words as yet, your other one will.

What happens when its a 3 and a 5 year old tantrumming?

justalittlebitsad · 03/12/2018 11:35

Many years ago when I lived in a flat, a young couple moved in to the rented flat next door. Both seemed very nice. Within no time at all she had given birth. Whenever she was out and the baby was crying, I could hearing him shouting at the baby and telling it to fuck off.

Under no circumstances, would I leave him alone with the baby. Being sworn at and shouted at when you are a baby/child is just as destructive long term as physical harm.

I would be very disappointed if my DH was like this. Babies cry sometimes. It's what they do. Sounds like he needs to grow up himself.

smallpersonwrangler · 03/12/2018 11:37

@TheViceOfReason He's absolutely fine with the toddler tantrumming. And she can throw a good one! It's so strange. I said earlier in the thread she went through a stage of night waking with hours of screaming a few months back and he sorted her out calmly and patiently, putting her back to bed about 40 times one night. No temper at all, not a hint. Just quiet determination that he'd calm her down and get her back to bed. It's just baby whinging, it just seems to get on his last nerve!

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lily2403 · 03/12/2018 11:43

I wouldn't go out.

hey dad your baby can pick up on your emotions...if you feel frustrated and angry and express this then baby will pick up on this and make settling them down even harder. I know it can be frustrating and exhausting (I have a toddler who loves to get out of bed at midnight for about 2 hours, i'm hoping its a phase) but losing the cool wont help you

Adversecamber22 · 03/12/2018 11:45

Our son cried and hardly slept for the first three months, turned out it was a health issue. So I’m talking major screaming never did my DH lose his temper or shout at all.

That kind of shouting at a small baby is awful and shows a loss of control.

Did he want another child?

TheViceOfReason · 03/12/2018 11:45

That's good that the toddler tantrum doesn't trigger the same reaction... however my point stands. The toddler WILL fully understand the words and tone.... how would you feel about the toddler repeating it? And they certainly will.

smallpersonwrangler · 03/12/2018 11:46

@Adversecamber22 Yes he did.

@TheViceOfReason As I also said earlier in the thread the toddler is long in bed and asleep whenever this happens. She has not ever heard her Dad speak or act like this.

She is a little parrot, can already hold a full blown conversation so we are very cautious of language etc in front of her.

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Deadringer · 03/12/2018 11:54

He is a lovely, hands on dad when the baby is being 'good'. But he is being an arsehole when she is not behaving well. He is at fault here, 100% and I wouldn't be happy to leave a small baby with him.

sprouts21 · 03/12/2018 12:11

Op this needs to stop. He is not an exhausted frustrated mum. He has you to take over but chooses not to. He's then arguing with you about his right to behave like this.

Perhaps it's time to speak to your parents or the health visitor. What would his response be to that do you think?

HollowTalk · 03/12/2018 12:20

Ask him whether he'd be happy with someone else talking to his child like that. If he had a web cam and you hired a babysitter and he saw the babysitter responding to your baby like that, what would he think? Would he happily hire her again?

Missingstreetlife · 03/12/2018 12:56

The toddler is easier because you can communicate with them verbally, and they understand being physically removed etc. He can fix it or understand and tolerate this.
A baby also understands some of your feelings and behaviour but cannot speak, if you are sensitive you will hear the difference in her cry, if you are upset, less so. A baby crying is natures way of getting atttention, it's supposed to be intolerable. It may bring you to tears. He cant understand or fix it and becomes more distressed, he feels it is a reflection on him (red flag) and compelled to deal with it. If he could understand that it's ok to put her down and leave the room to swear, come back calm and try again, that is ok. You should practice this while you are there but don't take over.
Swearing at baby is a sign he is close to losing it, don't leave him with baby, he lacks insight. I believe he is a good dad apart from this, but it is a big deal.

Tinkobell · 03/12/2018 13:18

I'm sure with some techniques he can learn to manage this. To me, it sounds like theres something about a baby crying and grizzling that's triggering a flash response in him. He needs to recognise this. Some people struggle with quite a low adrenalin threshold. I think this crying triggers the fight or flight response in him ......he's fighting, which is nuts given the threat is a baby; but it's his body's response to what's happening. Probably his pulse isn't raised and he's sweaty and agitated. He must go to the GP and see what they suggest. What's happening now with the swearing etc is pretty bad, but if he's a good guy, I'm sure he'd never forgive himself if he were to utterly loose it and end up permanently terrifying his own children......ask him, is that the kind of Dad he wants to be? A think a good person who wants to get this sorted will act and do something. A potential dangerous person won't because pride, arrogance or whatever will stop,them.

Nonomore2 · 03/12/2018 13:24

I think @Missingstreetlife has written an excellent post. I would really take what she/he said on board

smallpersonwrangler · 03/12/2018 13:30

I think @Missingstreetlife has a very good point about it being a reflection on him. It's. not of course it's not but I think he feels like a real failure when he can't get her to sleep.

He doesn't shout. Nowhere have I said he shouts at her. He gets cross and speaks angrily through gritted teeth and often swears.

I have tried to encourage and support him. I'm not sat there just nagging at him and telling him off. But at the same time I can't and won't sit there and do nothing when he's behaving like that.

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llangennith · 03/12/2018 13:35

He gets angry because he can't control what's happening and doesn't know what to do to make the baby stop crying. A real control freak.
Continue to insist on comforting your baby when it's crying and forcibly take the baby from him.
I'm not sure about whether I'd leave the baby alone with such a volatile man.

Missingstreetlife · 03/12/2018 17:53

Don't forcibly take the baby, she will get dropped ffs.
Make sure she hasn't got a pain, wind, earache, whatever.
Encourage him to take a break, let baby cry (a few minutes won't hurt, it will be good for him and you to know that) a few deep breaths (mindfulness good in longer term) and try again. He can walk around, tell her a story, rock her (some people drive round the block) singing may help them both. Good luck

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