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to feel uneasy about my son reading Enid Blyton books

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frances5 · 22/06/2007 22:10

My son wants me to read him a book called the "Wishing Chair", I have read two chapters of it and it has a pixie in it called "Chinky". To make it worst the drawing of "Chinky" shows an elf like creature with slitted eyes. However I think my son is totally and utter oblivous to this.

Admitally Enid Blyton lived 50 years ago when people didn't know better. But do you think I am making a mistake letting my son enjoy this book? He is even trying to read it himself that he is so desperate to know what happens next.

When my son chose this book I had no idea that it had a pixie in it called "Chinky" other wise I would have diverted him towards something like Ronald Dahl.

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frances5 · 30/06/2007 17:24

Why is ginger beer horrid. Ginger is a herb, its nothing to do with red headed people.

Have you ever tasted Ginger beer? Its really not that horrid a drink. My parents gave me some ginger beer. Its not really beer. Its a fizzy drink that is favoured with ginger and sugar. The nearest thing to it is lemonade, but its favoured with ginger instead of lemonade.

Next we will have ginger bread men banned.

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frances5 · 30/06/2007 17:27

Here is a recipe. Although I am sure that the stuff my parents made wasn't particularly alcholic.

www.vurt.co.uk/Articles/GingerBeer.html

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Donkeyswife · 30/06/2007 22:22

I've come to this thread late, so apologies if I'm repeating what someone has already written.

Frances5 I have read more books by Enid Blyton than by any other author - she was my hero when I was a child. And, as I am a mixed race person I never even realised that there was racist terminology in her books and never felt slighted by them in the least. But I always felt she was 'classist' if that makes sense. I begged my mum and dad to send me to a boarding school - as if we had the cash!! Her books made me feel poor as I knew we didn't go to boarding school, have money for lashings of ginger beer nor could we afford a dog!

I would let my ds read her books but would explain that you can't say certain words anymore and explain why.

feemcgee · 12/07/2007 08:49

When I was at school they were apparently banned, but I read them at home and loved them. Even as a child it was easy to recognise that times had changed, I knew that just because Georgina wore trousers and called herself George that she wasn't totally abnormal. And that mums didn't stay at home and bake, my mum was working full time. We were interested in the fantasy stories, and that was it.

Reallytired · 12/07/2007 10:54

My son has finished the wishing chair. We been trying the Chronicles of Narnia books, but they are just too hard for him.

So now for our sins we are now reading "The Wishing Chair Again". He is loving it. I read him three chapters last night and he was so desperate to find out what happens next he was trying to read the next chapter under his blankets with a torch.

I think I might get him to try Harry Potter next, but I am worried that at the age of five he might find it a bit scary.

He seems to be losing in the books withlots of pictures now. I am not sure quite why. However he is still a little boy even if his reading is good and its a matter of finding a range of books. He didn't care for Horrid Henry or Charlie and the Chocolate factory.

What is annoying is that library stocks extremely little Enid Blyton. I can understand why her books are considered offensive, but sure they are not as bad somethings that get published or shown on TV. There are only a couple of copies of the new and doctored versions.

We are in a country where Salmon Rushie gets an OBE inspite of upsetting a lot of muslims with his books. Surely the "Wishing Chair" is nothing compared to the upset caused by the "Satanic Verses"

Marvel · 19/11/2008 23:12

My Gran used to read me Enid Blyton as a kid. I can't remember which story it was, but a criminal act had taken place to do with a car, where the "Three Golliwogs" were accused. So the policeman...threw all three Golliwogs in jail because, he "just couldn't tell them apart"??
If you think it's OK to read your children Enid Blyton, and think the controversy is just "a lot of fuss about nothing" you should perhaps reconsider. I still remember this story being read to me, and it's only now as an adult I can understand it's racist connotation. I know these stories are very much of the time. But this is exactly the kind of mentality older generations use, to make subtly racist comments. For it was "how they were brought up"
So, how you going to bring your kids up?
I think several of her books have been republished and updated to keep up with the progress since then.

"Dated attitudes and altered reprints
Cover of The Three Golliwogs, in which the golliwogs are the heroes.

The books are very much of their time, particularly the titles published in the 1950s. They present Britain's class system ? that is to say, "rough" versus "decent".[5] Many of Blyton's children's books similarly popularized negative stereotypes regarding gender, race, and class.

The most startling incidence of this type of material to a modern audience might be the use of a phrase like "black as a nigger with soot" appearing in Five Go off to Camp[6][7]. At the time, "Negro" was the standard formal term and "nigger" a relatively common colloquialism. This is one of the most obvious targets for alteration in modern reprints, along with the replacement of golliwogs with teddy bears or goblins. Some of these responses by publishers to contemporary attitudes on racial stereotypes has itself drawn criticism from those adults who view it as tampering with an important piece of the history of children's literature. The Druce book brings up the case of the The Little Black Doll (who wanted to be pink), which was turned on its head in a reprint. Also removed in deference to modern ethical attitudes are many casual references to slaves and to corporal punishment. Blyton's attitudes came under criticism during her working lifetime; a publisher rejected a story of hers in 1960, taking a negative literary view of it but also saying that "There is a faint but unattractive touch of old-fashioned xenophobia in the author's attitude to the thieves; they are 'foreign'...and this seems to be regarded as sufficient to explain their criminality."[8]

Similarly, some have suggested the depictions of boys and girls in her books was sexist. For example, this Guardian article suggested that the Famous Five depicts a power struggle between Julian, Dick and George(ina), with the female characters either acting like boys or being heavily put-upon. Although the issues are more subjective than with some of the racial issues, it has been suggested that a new edition of the book will "address" these issues through alterations, which has led to the expression of nostalgia for the books and their lack of political correctness.[9]. In the Secret Seven books, the girls are deliberately excluded from tasks such as investigating the villains' hideouts ? in Go Ahead, Secret Seven, it is directly stated "'Certainly not,' said Peter, sounding very grown-up all of a sudden. 'This is a man's job, exploring that coal-hole'".[10] In the Famous Five this is less often the case, but in Five On a Hike Together, Julian gives similar orders to George: "You may look like a boy and behave like a boy, but you're a girl all the same. And like it or not, girls have got to be taken care of."[11] Both of these involve situations that would in reality be dangerous for any child, and where clear gender roles are set out with boys in charge and girls protected, possibly sending out a message for more realistic scenarios."

seeker · 19/11/2008 23:32

There are modern editions of The Wishing Chair with the namess changed - get thee to WH Smiths in the morning!

Harry Potter too much for a 5 year old - htere are tons of fab books for this age - don't rush him ahead!

christywhisty · 19/11/2008 23:37

This thread is over a year old, why drag it up again.

Quattrocento · 19/11/2008 23:59

Oh gosh it's funny reading this stuff a year on. I still think that EB is the equivalent of giving your child a fruitshoot though ...

TeenyTinyTorya · 20/11/2008 00:18

I know this is pretty old, but that was a really interesting thread. Not sure how Marvel managed to find it though!

dilemma456 · 20/11/2008 10:31

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twoluvlykids · 20/11/2008 10:43

My dc's have read most of the Enid B books, went through a phase about 3/4 years ago.

So far, they're not racist, sexist stereotypical people!

I can't see any harm in the books, not when there's so much other stuff available which has potential to harm.

Dc's just don't see all the un-pc stuff in the books, they just read the adventures.

AussieLou · 20/11/2008 10:50

I love Enid Blyton books and still do. I never ever though anything over the names Chinky, Moon Face etc. I never associated Golliwogs with black people nor did I think Noddy and Big Ears were gay (whatever that was). If the parents make a deal out of it then the kids will obviously. I had a giggle when I was older over the names Dick and Fanny but that was it. I was more shocked that boarding school was nothing like Mallory Towers or St Claires and that the secret seven were really rude to the police. To make matters worse, why were the girls in the FF and SS never allowed to wear shorts or trousers and Anne in the FF was always being a housewife and never advernturing with the boys. That was my main concern as a child.

taralee · 20/11/2008 11:00

YANBU.

Shitty badly written boring books.

happywomble · 20/11/2008 11:20

YABU - I remember being read the wishing chair at primary school in reception and loving listening to the story. I would never have thought chinky was to do with chinese as a child and might not have even have noticed as an adult. I now can't remember any of the story of the wishing chair or any of the characters. I just remember that I loved listening to it.

I also remember loving a book called "Little Black Sambo" about an African child. I expect this book was banned years ago.

Also loved my golliwog teddy as a child and thought of it as one would a teddy. I never linked it to a name for a person.

When I read Enid Blyton books to DS now I laugh at some of the old fashioned language but still think most of the books are really good and children love them.

The thing I get offended by is all the American spelling in my childrens School reading books. Surely if one is at School in GB books should have the English spelling of realise (keep coming across realize).

JHKE · 20/11/2008 11:35

I loved reading EB books as a child especially wishing chair and famous five.. I don't get whats wrong with them.. They were about adventures and thats what I remember most about them.

mabanana · 20/11/2008 11:50

boring for adults perhaps, but certainly not for children. I, like so many children, absolutely adored them. Plot driven, fast-paced, easy vocabulary and structure, and exciting....for children.
I think the idea that 'chinky' refers to anything Chinese about the elf is a mistake. I suspect it's a meaningless name like Binky or Winkie or Dinky or Pinky - all words EB uses again and again. If she had named a Chinese character Chinky it would be very different.

DaphneMoon · 20/11/2008 12:36

This thread brings very happy childhood memories back to me. I loved Enid Blyton books. My favourite was the Faraway tree. With Moonface (as mentioned in previous post) and silky who made melt in the mouth biscuits with honey. I would read these for hours and be engrosed in a magical world. Lovely.

MorningTownRide · 20/11/2008 12:55

Pop biscuits DaphneMoon. They didn't melt they popped!

Wigglesworth · 20/11/2008 13:06

I loved Enid Blyton books when I was little, the fact that some of the characters had strange names (Dick and Fanny) used to provide me and my friends with hours of childish amusement. I wouldn't worry about it too much, I don't think he will grow up a racist especially if you are there to explain equality and diversity to him. There are far worse things in the world these days, look at all the mens magazines on shelves in newsagents that kids can see with pics of tarts with their funbags or arses out on the front cover and some of the filth in music videos on MTV . I think we live in a much more tolerating society these days and schools are usually fantastic at promoting equality.

Wigglesworth · 20/11/2008 13:08

Do you remember Dame Washalot in the faraway Tree . The kids were Joe, Bessie and Fanny and their cousins Dick and Connie. It makes me sad thinking that that time seems to have passed so quick since I was reading her stories in my bedroom. ahhhh.

abraid · 20/11/2008 13:09

I'd let him read the book now you've got it. Children aren't silly and you can talk to him about how society has changed its views on things and why this is.

I hate censoring children.
Blyton's not that badly-written. If you want a clunky book, try CIRCUS SHOES by Noel Streatfield.

annoyingdevil · 20/11/2008 13:37

I come from a very litarary family (mother's a poet and creative writing prof.) and I was never prevented from reading anything as a child (frankly, shocked that people would censor their child's reading matter).

If Enid Blyton books are so badly written, then why do millions of children want to read them? She was always my favourite author (even though I was aware of the sexism).

I can't think of any other books that stimulated by imagination in the same way. (and believe me I read a hell of a lot of books) That can't be a bad thing for a child, can it?

annoyingdevil · 20/11/2008 13:45

Blimey, didn't realise this was an old thread, teach me for not reading the whole thing. (reading all those Enid Blyton books must have affected my concentration span)

Wigglesworth · 20/11/2008 14:00

Oh yeah its nearly 18 months old, I didn't realise either

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