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to feel uneasy about my son reading Enid Blyton books

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frances5 · 22/06/2007 22:10

My son wants me to read him a book called the "Wishing Chair", I have read two chapters of it and it has a pixie in it called "Chinky". To make it worst the drawing of "Chinky" shows an elf like creature with slitted eyes. However I think my son is totally and utter oblivous to this.

Admitally Enid Blyton lived 50 years ago when people didn't know better. But do you think I am making a mistake letting my son enjoy this book? He is even trying to read it himself that he is so desperate to know what happens next.

When my son chose this book I had no idea that it had a pixie in it called "Chinky" other wise I would have diverted him towards something like Ronald Dahl.

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Quattrocento · 25/06/2007 13:15

Well as long as you really are dreamily making daisy chains and having the odd picnic.

Thank goodness I can give up stalking - have been posting on lots of threads just in case you turned up - crept into a G&T thread - but really didn't belong there. It was embarrassing.

ahundredtimes · 25/06/2007 13:16

Yes poor australian woman? I just left her a message because I didn't want her to be ignored here as well as at school. Could send a woman over the edge I think.

toomanydaves · 25/06/2007 13:40

Very late entry into the discussion from me but broadly speaking I agree with 100x and mainly with quattro although she is too austere for me.

Mine are allowed it as part of their diet. I have already banned rainbow fairies and animal ark on the grounds of shitness and there is a limit to how much censoring I want to do. In the last one they read there was a criminal called Wonky Dick, and another one called Willing Roger.

Quattrocento · 25/06/2007 13:48

Austere. Austere? Had never thought of it before but I think you are right. In fact I think you have hit the nail on the head. I AM a bit austere. And slightly snobbish too. But only about books, I think.

toomanydaves · 25/06/2007 13:52

What a shame. I had an image of you going about in a monochrome habit with Puritan collar and unflattering bun, dispatching advice on moral decrepitude in today's youf.

Quattrocento · 25/06/2007 13:58

2many - did you read all 650 posts? Didya really? Which bits were most barking? The puritan bits where EB is likened to junk food? Or the bits where it's political correctness gorn maad? Did you like the chorus? You know 'I read EB and I am not a racist'? It comes in after every 30th post approximately.

Balls · 25/06/2007 14:04

OliveOil - The Five FindOuters are still alive and kicking in the bookshops. They are in the Mystery series, the first one being The Mystery of the Burnt Cottage. Fatty is called that because of his initials (Frederick Algernon Trotteville) and for his size due to his fondness for buns and ices. He is fearfully clever, witty and arrogant.

Quattrocento - your son sounds exactly like mine at the same age - actually until last summer (agd 8 then). I tried Asterix and failed until I got him going on them by reading the explanations at he front and reading the first few stories (very tricky to read out loud) and explaining some of the awful puns. Once he had the idea he was hooked. I then moved him on to TinTin. After that he started being more confident and curious and for him the big kick off was Sally Gardner's Boy iwth Lightning Feet. Some of the words in Horrid Henry were too hard for him to decode but Sally Gardner was simpler. He now reads Harry Potter into the wee hours...and I am so relieved I have to pretend to be cross with him for reading after lights out!

toomanydaves · 25/06/2007 14:43

Quattro, I did have to skim, alas. But I thought I should point out to you that my children read EB and they are not racists.

Puritan Woman sells good hairpins that dig into the scalp for a little frisson of pain.

casbie · 25/06/2007 17:00

i read 'famous five' when i was a kid and loved her books, and actively seeked her books out because of all the adventure and excitment.

it was only when i was a lot older, that i realised that there was a boy called blackie and what that could mean. i thought it meant he had black hair (like the black prince etc) and didn't think it meant in anyway a degorgatory term for someone.

i think children take the name at face value, it's the characters they are interested in and what they get upto which they think is entertaining.

(i say this as a mixed-race woman who grew up in multi-cultural london taaaaoooown).

i will let my kids read anything of hers, though my dd favourite at the moment is 'the pony mad princess' - poo!

FelicityMontgomery · 25/06/2007 17:47

I loved Enid Blyton as a child.

The Magic faraway Tree was the first 'proper' book I ever read. It was a truly eureka moment for me, I realised I could read all by myself and I realised that books were totally absorbing.

I became a total bookworm.

Only Enid Bylton for a few years, I loved Malory Towers, St. Clares and The Secret seven, but then eventually progressed onto Roald Dahl, then little Women, and basically anything I could get my hands on.

AS a teenager I read Sweet valley High, then Jackie Collins, alongside all Austen and the Brontes and went on to do english at Uni.

I owe Enid Blyton a debt of gratitude for leading me into the world of books and a love of reading that I found in one moment and have never lost.

Those on this thread who critise her literary skills are missing the point. The simple vocab, linera storylines, formulaic plots combined with an imagination that speaks to children, is exactly what young children need to introduce them to the wonder of books.

If you have a reluctant reader and won't let them try EB, you need to think really hard about that imo.

About the racism element, I thought most/all had been removed and therefore suspect that the 'chinky' name was deemed not to be a reference to race and so left in. Maybe.

If so, write to the publisher, edit it yourself, chat about the issue but don't dent them EB on that basis alone. There is so much more on offer.

christywhisty · 25/06/2007 18:06

EB was my gateway to reading to

DD & DS have been chosen to meet Anne Fine tomorrow, what do people think of her books?

ernest · 25/06/2007 18:15

I bought some as they came highly recommended (A F books) but I really hate them. They seem to be 'moral of the story' focussed with a really weak crappy story woven round to make the moral work iyswim. Did not enjoy any of them, and unlike other books which we read over & over, we haven't even bothered to read them all as kids & parents alike find tedious. Very disappointing.

Quattrocento · 25/06/2007 18:21

Gateway to reading? My word. EB alone was responsible? Is it not possible that was what you were given to read so you read it and became absorbed?

If I gave my DS enid blyton and coaxed and begged and bribed him to read it, I risk him never reading again. He would take a pretty dim view of any of that stuff. Shoot magazine is the way forward, I feel sure.

frances5 · 25/06/2007 18:26

I think you have to know your child and match the reading material.

Its why a good school will have a wide range of books in a reading scheme to cater for all tastes.

Not all children like fiction. Quattrocento, does your son like being read to? If so what sort of bed time stories does he like. Is he interested in dinosaurs or books about battleships.

I think that EB has a place in my son's life, although I would not want it to take over. I have also been guilty of occassionally giving my son a fruit shoot!

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TheArmadillo · 25/06/2007 18:28

I can't believe this is still going!

I thought you had all be wowed by my vast intellect and given up in shame

EB isn't the only author out there for children. SHe isn't even the best. It's not like my child's life will become empty and hollow without her.

Seriously.

Kathyis6incheshigh · 25/06/2007 18:32

Christy - Anne Fine has some very funny moments (I did like Goggle Eyes) but she can be a bit issue-driven rather than character-driven; a school
librarian I know said the kids found them a bit 'worthy'.
Her adult stuff can be very dark.

bookwormmum · 25/06/2007 18:34

I feel worn out after catching up on this thread from last night .

TheArmadillo · 25/06/2007 18:34

I loved Anne Fine as a kid. Especially goggle eyes and the flour babies.

frogs · 25/06/2007 18:35

Surely the great joy of children reading independently is that you don't have to read the stuff yourself (hurrah)? Personally I can't stomach Horrid Henry (formulaic, don't like the polarisation of characters) but happy for the children to read it as long as it doesn't take over.

Ditto EB, and the endless profusion of horsey books (Ruby Ferguson, the Pullein-Thompsons) which have all the same flaws as EB. Good plots, poor characterisation and language. Poor use of cliche. With sufficient exposure a bright child will work out for him/herself that all the plots are the same, which must be a commendable act of early literary criticism? I occasionally revert to Agatha Christie and Nevil Shute in moments of boredom and stress, and am happy for Malory Towers and Jill's Perfect Pony to fulfil the same purpose for the children.

The only things I've really steered them away from are the shlop horror books (Goosebumps etc) and anything by Robert Swindells, which is really nasty. Frankly, if you find EB too much to stomach, wait until you see what passes for teenage fiction. This is particularly a problem if you have an able reader, as some of these books present themselves as the next step up from Harry Potter etc, but are actually profoudly vile and completely unsuitable for under-13s. Suddenly The Castle of Adventure will seem oddly appealing.

fillyjonk · 25/06/2007 18:37

i don't think you really need to be worrying about whether your kid's stuff is suitable really. I draw the line at sexist racist stuff-so unexpurgated EB-but aside from that, stick them in a library and let them get on with it

btw i DIDN'T read EB growing up (she was banned) and I have a degree and everything. And sometimes I read jsut for the hell of it. It IS possible, you know.

fillyjonk · 25/06/2007 18:38

and robert swindels is really really good, frogs. its not horror, its proper though provoking stuff, does depend on age of kid though.

frances5 · 25/06/2007 18:44

My goodness, the thread I started has taken a life on of its own. Its grown like something out of the Enchanted Wood.

I am staggered that my post has got such a massive response. I'm struggling to keep up with all the posts.

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fillyjonk · 25/06/2007 18:45

i did once get £7.50 and a shag out of my knowlege of enid blyton books

but maybe this is Not The Thread...

Quattrocento · 25/06/2007 18:47

? Cannot BELIEVE you got £7.50 for knowing about EB.

christywhisty · 25/06/2007 18:58

Quattro
Yes she was my gateway to reading. I always read well but I don't remember reading novels at all until I discovered EB, then there was no stopping. I wasn't forced into them.

My sister (we found out later) was very short sighted so she always had her nose in a book, because she couldn't really see to do anything else. I picked up her EBs one day and then was lost in the world of Mallory Towers and St Clares.
My Ds is not that interested in reading novels except Harry Potter, although he prefers story tapes (he has a SLD).He does read lots of non fiction though.

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