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to feel uneasy about my son reading Enid Blyton books

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frances5 · 22/06/2007 22:10

My son wants me to read him a book called the "Wishing Chair", I have read two chapters of it and it has a pixie in it called "Chinky". To make it worst the drawing of "Chinky" shows an elf like creature with slitted eyes. However I think my son is totally and utter oblivous to this.

Admitally Enid Blyton lived 50 years ago when people didn't know better. But do you think I am making a mistake letting my son enjoy this book? He is even trying to read it himself that he is so desperate to know what happens next.

When my son chose this book I had no idea that it had a pixie in it called "Chinky" other wise I would have diverted him towards something like Ronald Dahl.

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bookwormmum · 24/06/2007 21:46

I think with Dickens' work, it's worth bearing in mind he was subtly cricitising the social conditions of 19th century England which EB is patently not doing with her work. Shakespeare was doing the same thing inasmuch as he wasn't allowed to overtly criticise the political system of his day. Setting scenes in the past or in mystical lands got around that one. I imagine if you look at Shakespeare closely, you can find all manner of things that read as racist today .

galaxy · 24/06/2007 21:50

I read most of Enid Blyton's books when I was a child and grew up to be a balanced, non-racist and morally sound person! OK, I wouldn't have been aware of the non-pc tone of some of what she wrote, but I enjoyed the stories, particularly the Famous Five and Secret 7 series.
Personally, I'd rather my kids read Blyton than some of the other rubbish that's out there.

bookwormmum · 24/06/2007 21:52

I can happily pass on Tracy Beaker's diaries but to me it's got pc written all over it. It's as far from my dd's experience of life as EB's children were to mine at her age. Where do you draw the line?

bookwormmum · 24/06/2007 21:52

Jacqueline Wilson's Tracy Beaker btw....

ViciousSquirrelSpotter · 24/06/2007 21:57

My children watch Tracey Beaker and I always feel uneasy about it.

Can't bring myself to censor it though, just throw in the occasional disapproving comments.

Oh dear, have turned into my Dad.

Funny thing is if it were on ITV instead of CBBC, there's no way I'd let them watch it.

Have just outed myself as a hopeless TV snob. Because I wouldn't dream of not letting them read the book.

margoandjerry · 24/06/2007 22:08

Bizarrely totalitarian statements in this thread.

I loved EB as a child. I think some of her books are great for children as they encourage reading stamina. I still find them far more interesting than Harry Potter which I cannot bear (but would not ban my children from reading - I can't see that I'm really going to ban my daughter from reading anything).

I think some of her books have been rewritten to remove the golliwogs and the names like this. Fine by me. Not suitable for this day and age and the names can easily be changed without affecting the story. But there are many other books with equally concerning stereotypes that would pass the censor because they are cooler.

Shakespeare is pretty full of this stuff especially on Jewish characters, as is Dickens who is also dreadful on women. Almost all fairytales demonise people we prefer not to demonise today (eg stepmothers). One of my favourite books, the L Shaped Room, just wouldn't be written today because of its depictions of black and Jewish characters despite actually being a very "liberal" book for its time. Roald Dahl has some very odd views I think (and is particularly lookist in parts). Wind in the Willows (a favourite book even now) is pretty unpleasant on class issues and almost every pre 1970s children's author would have had a very non pc attitude to what girls could and couldn't do with their lives.

One of the things I love about these writers and books is that they reflect a different world to my own. I love Dickens despite his shortcomings and I used to love reading Ballet Shoes despite what is clearly now its raging class snobbery - partly because it described a world that I didn't understand - "galoshes" and "supper". There's a value in books being different to the world we live in.

One of my favourite childhood books was "Little Black Sambo" which is an incredible story. Of course you'd never call a book that now (I had my mum's 1940s edition) but I just thought the boy's name was Sambo just like Noddy's name is Noddy. Didn't know Sambo was a generic name for black men. It's also a fantastical story about a little boy who turns tigers into butter so entrancing and amazing.

Personally I hated Winnie the Pooh and Alice in Wonderland. Twee and/or irritating. This insistence that they are "beautifully written" is rather bizarre. And this statement is just alarming:

"And it really isn't a subjective issue, you know. Enid Blyton's books really are the equivalent of fruit shoots"

Didn't realise the global arbiter of literary quality was now posting on Mumsnet. May I post my own reading list for this year and see if it gets the seal of approval? .

paulaplumpbottom · 24/06/2007 22:09

This is a great time to talk to him about how ignorant some people can be

Nightynight · 24/06/2007 22:14

what is the objection to Tracey Beaker?
I have tried to read them a few times, but found them really irritating. my children havent picked up on them yet.

ViciousSquirrelSpotter · 24/06/2007 22:18

Christopher Robin and Winnie the Pooh is vile stuff.

I couldn't be doing with it as a child and can't be doing with it now.

I remember cheering when coming across a Richmal Compton savaging of the Christopher Robin stories and poems in a Just William story when she calls him "Antony Martin" and does a whole load of poems which mimic the AA Milne ones. Hysterical stuff.

jetjets · 24/06/2007 22:18

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ronshar · 24/06/2007 22:19

Wow we are still here!

paulaplumpbottom · 24/06/2007 22:20

I think the Wiinie the Pooh stuff is wonderful, I can't think of any racist remarks in them though

ViciousSquirrelSpotter · 24/06/2007 22:20

NN - my objection to it is that the adults portrayed in the programmes appear to have no authority whatsoever over the children and the children appear to have a level of autonomy and control over their lives which I find unacceptable for a ten year old/ eleven year old or whatever she is.

But that is really a very superficial objection as I've never managed to actually sit through and concentrate on the bloody programme!

It all has moral endings and stuff. Just a whole load of bad manners, attitude and bad behaviour all the way through.

ViciousSquirrelSpotter · 24/06/2007 22:21

LOL at what a pair of boobs

"I say Mamzelle, what d'you think of the new gym teacher's boobs?"

jetjets · 24/06/2007 22:23

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Nightynight · 24/06/2007 22:26

hmm. yes, that would annoy me I think, as I spend quite a lot of time trying to impose a bit more authority on my children.

flibbertyjibbet · 24/06/2007 22:27

Enid Blyton has all those references to Ginger Beer. Was she homophobic?
I loved EB as a child and would be quite happy for my kids to read it. We have several Noddy books and no one has got upset yet about Big Ears getting picked on for body dysmorphic syndrome.
If he is enjoying it then let him get on with it.
No doubt in 50 years mothers will be upset about something in Harry Potter.

Kathyis6incheshigh · 24/06/2007 22:29

VSS - I remember that William story too - it's brill.

I also like the parody (can't remember who by)

Hush, hush
Nobody cares
Christopher Robin
Has
Fallen
Down
Stairs

Nightynight · 24/06/2007 22:29

oh god I know I am going to regret asking this - why on earth should references to ginger beer make EB homophobic? It is a drink!

katelyle · 24/06/2007 22:32

Sookily enough, I have just read a chapter of St Clares' to my dd, and had a discussion about why somebody said to Casrlotta "That may be what you do in Spain, but in this country we don't slap people" or words to that effect.I really didn't like it -I didn't like that we had to stop the story to talk about the issue (although I would have liked it less if we hadn't discussed it), I would really not be happy with dd reading these books to herself and internalizing the casual racism/class prejudice that occur on every page. I agree that they are engaging stories, but they need so much contextualizing to fit them into the modern world that I'm not sure it's worth the effort

flibbertyjibbet · 24/06/2007 22:33

Cockney Rhyming slang I believe.

Kathyis6incheshigh · 24/06/2007 22:33

Nightynight - it's ok, it's just Cockney rhyming slang - ginger beer=queer.

Quattrocento · 24/06/2007 22:40

yes okay I made myself vulnerable to being accused of being a global arbiter of something or other by insisting that EB was pants. It is a pretty widely held view but never mind about that.

is there a difference between eb and shakespeare? At the risk of sounding like a global arbiter YES there is a difference and YES this has moved beyond the subjective and into the objective. Again this is a pretty widely held view.

someone did once start rewriting shakespeare of course but that was just silly. should EB be rewritten? well don't really believe in that sort of radical intervention but as these are children's books, I don't really see what else one can do? Is it censorship? It probably amounts to it.

I am heartily glad my dc's don't read EB. I kind of wish they would not read all those simpsons books too but no amount of tactful steering was going to keep them apart so I just had to give in.

MamaMaiasaura · 24/06/2007 22:40

over 500 messages & will not get hooked/reeled in tonight as I neeeeeddd sleep.

MamaMaiasaura · 24/06/2007 22:42

but.. I guess EB didnt make it sound like duff beer was good for you, child throttling was the norm etc or have a homicidal cat killing mouse

(btw I do let ds watch simpsons sometimes )

[pokey out tongue emocion at quattro]

nite nite