That this decision by Rotherham Council is unbelievable!

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Well, not really unbelievable in this era of craziness but make me furious. It seems like the girls who were victims of these gangs still don't have any value (judging by the subsequent treatment by the Council) and their emotional and physical wellbeing is completely dismissed so that a rapist can see his child. What were Rotherham Council thinking!!??

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-46368991

On the other thread the position is said to be

That in law, the council could have applied to court to mean that this man did not have to be asked / notified etc

The council chose not to do that.

YABU

The crime was against her for which he's being punished.
His child has a right to know their father - and he has a right to know his child.

The EU has bugger all to do with this, even the ECHR doesn't - which is a separate body we are not leaving, btw

it is the UK Parliament who pass sloppy laws and then don't pass laws stopping stupid consequences of their mistakes.
Parliament cba to protect any girls and women who are not rich / articulate mc .... or who aren't really men

Whatever law, councillor, social worker, who thinks it’s a good idea to let a convicted child rapist have a say in a child’s future needs all the attacking possible.

There isn't a law that says that. The existing legal framework gives the courts plenty of leeway to completely ignore the wishes of either parent. Even when they're not rapists. If he'd made an application to be a party to proceedings the court isn't compelled to accept it, and being a party to proceedings doesn't mean you get any say at all.

And there is nothing to suggest any social worker or councillor has expressed any such opinion here.

Shaddap User nobody will benefit by knowing Arshid the multi child rapist.

The council should have applied to court for a right not to notify the father that his son was goiing into care. I think the son is 15 and the care proceedings are the issue here. If my child were going into care I would want both sets of grandparents also to have rights to apply as care is a bad option for many children and if a family member hopefully here this lady's mother or a sibling could have the child that might be better than care so I see the reaon the basic principle is you contact family members before you take children into care but here with a rapist they should have applied to remove that notification of the father.

A rapist has no moral right to know his child
- and the law must be changed to stop this obscene perversion of human rights laws, which were never intended for this

• they were only intended for the millions of cases where relationships break down

The child, when adult, can choose if they wish to meet the man who raped their mother
While still a child, they need protection^^from the harm that a relationship with their rapist father could cause

"and he has a right to know his child."

Does he?

I thought that only kids have rights.

Presumably he hasn't had to pay for the child at all?

Neither Arshid the multi child rapist, nor Andrew the multi child rapist should have any right to contact with the child produced by their rape

Doesn't matter if a rapist pays a million quid per year
No pay per view

No exemption for rich paedophiles

If only Rotherham Council had been so concerned about following the law and protecting human rights (of vulnerable children) when all these girls were being groomed and raped...seems they are very beholden to the law/individuals "rights" depending on the situation...

Andrew didn't rape Sammy and several others Bigchoc Arshid did, or mad Ash as he is locally known.

"Doesn't matter if a rapist pays a million quid per year"

No, I agree, my post did read as if I was putting the two things together, which I didn't intend.

I don't think that he should have rights where his child is concerned.

We obviously can't rely on Councils or Courts applying morality and common sense

Hence we need a new law to specifically state that rapists have no right to contact with any child they created via rape

If only Rotherham Council had been so concerned about following the law and protecting human rights (of vulnerable children) when all these girls were being groomed and raped...seems they are very beholden to the law/individuals "rights" depending on the situation

Exactly.

It's not the local council's whim, but UK law.

Pp, leaving the European Union (not Europe) has nothing to do with the council of Europe.

I thought the law had already stated that they have to notify the father unless they determine it is not the interests of the child, or that the child or mother would be put at risk of harm as a result of seeking to engage the father in the proceedings.

So it is a qualified requirement, defaulting in favour of the father, not an automatic, blanket requirement. If I understand correctly?

As stated in the Conclusion section of the judgment here:
www.familylawweek.co.uk/site.aspx?i=ed178126

I would say the council have made a serious mistake at least, those pretending it's frothers worried about this are also ignoring.

Sunglasses how do you know they aren't?

Women are shouting on mn now, do tout think anyone will hear.

The people shouting about child abuse over decades》 church, grooming gangs, tv people, sports clubs etc and so on. Nobody heard.

Queef I'm thinking of all the other rapists around the country and not just those who rape children
So it's the principle, not just the particular case

Rotherham Council just highlight the perverse application of law that can happen, but I'm sure there are white rapists elsewhere where are demanding their rights in this way

If a man of whatever colour / religion rapes, whether his victim is a 40-year-old woman or a 14-year old girl,
^
he should have NO right to contact with any child produced from his rape^

During a two-month trial the court heard how the Hussain brothers - known as Mad Ash, Bash and Bono - and their associates subjected the girls to years of rape, violence and prostitution.

One victim was only 11 when she was first abused by Arshid.

She said that over the next five years she was repeatedly raped by him and forced to have sex with other men, often as "payment" for his debts.

Another told the court how she thought she was going to die when Basharat drove her to the Peak District and had told her to dig her own grave.

Bannaras abused one victim in a car park next to Rotherham Police Station.

One witness described the Hussain brothers as "a pack of animals".

The jury heard how MacGregor, helped by Davies, lured vulnerable girls to stay at her "Hansel and Gretel" house, promising them refuge but pimping them out to a succession of men for sex to "earn their keep".

The gang's convictions mark the first successful prosecution of a grooming gang in Rotherham since the Jay Report, published in August 2014, found at least 1,400 girls had been sexually exploited in the town.

The report said the majority of perpetrators were men of Pakistani heritage and accused South Yorkshire Police and Rotherham Borough Council of "blatant" failures and the "suppression" of documents highlighting the issue from as early as 2002.

After the verdicts, the Independent Police Complaints Commission said it was looking into more than 194 allegations about police conduct and that 54 officers had so far been named, 26 of whom had been notified they were being formally investigated.

Fertility bid
Following his conviction it emerged Arshid Hussain had been planning fertility treatment with his wife, despite jurors hearing he had fathered children with girls he abused and forced some girls to have terminations.

The details came out as part of an unsuccessful application by his legal team asking the judge to rule he was unfit to stand trial because of his disability.

He was shot in the abdomen in 2005 and his defence counsel claimed he was paraplegic and confined to bed.

Sorry for the cut and paste. This is the creature we are discussing. He's an animal and his family with him.

So................ if a man wants a child, he just needs to rape a female!!!!!!! (Men are always winners aren't they?)