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My sister financially benefitting from our parents AGAIN.

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QueenofmyPrinces · 26/11/2018 08:40

There are 13 months between me and my sister so we were very close growing up together and we are still close now, I love her and she’s one of my favourite people to be around.

Growing up we were very different, I was the typical ‘good sensible girl’ whereas she was more the type who took each day as it came and having fun was her main focus. At the time, I was envious of her character and spirit and wished I was more like her.

I did well at school, went to college, then university and have a professional job, whereas she didn’t really try at school, dropped out of two college courses and eventually ended up in a job that our neighbour found for her.

Fast forward to now: we’re in our late 30s and still very close. We both have two children although she is no longer with the father as he turned out to be a complete shit. He’s active in the children’s lives though and he provides well for them financially and helps my sister out too in ways he isn’t obliged to. I don’t particularly like the man but I can’t criticise him for the way he still provides for the children and the things he does to help my sister.

In our teenage years and through our 20’s my sister was frequently financially helped out by our parents because “she didn’t have a well paying job” and they paid out a lot for her. They paid for things to be done around her house (luxuries as opposed to necessities), paid her phone bills and store cards, paid for things for the children and paid for her driving lessons too when she was in her mid 20’s.

At the same time as they were paying for her driving lessons I was having to pay for my own lessons even though I was a student and they were charging me rent, compared to her being in full time employment and not even living in the family home anymore.

I could list lots of ways my sister has financially benefited from our parents over the last 10-15 years and although there has always been potential for resentment because of how differently we were treated I never felt it, or if I did I have no recollection of it and it didn’t impact on my relationship with my sister.

Fast forward to the last 12 months or so and my sister started going out with her friends a lot more, going out frequently for meals and drinks, going away for weekends, having new clothes etc and at the time I thought nothing of it. I was just glad to see her enjoying herself now her children are older (10 and 14) and that she was getting her life back as it were.

Recently me and DH have put ourselves out quite significantly in terms of finances in order to do something to benefit her children in order to allow them to experience something they’d never be able to if me and DH didn’t pay for it. Initially we had spoken about her paying 10% of the cost but after thinking about it I told my sister that no financial contribution was necessary as I was happy to treat my nieces and that I knew every pound counts to her and that even a small contribution would be difficult for her. She said thanks, she appreciated it and that was the end of the discussion.

Anyhow - I found out a few days ago that for the last 12 months my parents have been giving her £200 every month “just in case she needs it” and it’s actually really pissed me off. Our parents are divorced and they each give her £100.

I now feel a little put out that she so readily accepted our offer not to contribute to what we are doing for her children (which is costing us nearly £1k) when she’s getting £200 each month from our parents that she doesn’t actually need.

They (particularly my mom) also give her children money quite frequently whereas mine don’t get anything.

Inside I feel like the “special treatment” of her is still going on after all these years and I think that throughout her life it’s paid off that she didn’t get a good job because my parents have paid out so much for her and still do. I’m also in disbelief that at our age she is still taking money from our parents because as adults shouldn’t we be taking responsibility for ourselves?

I haven’t told my sister that I know about our parents giving her money each month and my parents don’t know that I know either. I won’t say anything to either of them though because it won’t serve any purpose. I only found out due my mom’s brother accidentally letting it slip when he asked me how I was spending my £200 each month as he had assumed my parents were doing it for both of us.

Im just venting. I know it’s my parents choice how they spend their money but after watching them pay out for so much for her over the last two decades this has been a bit of a blow to know they’re still doing it.

I was talking to DH about it and in my frustration I said that I wished I’d made her life choices instead of my own as maybe then my parents would have paid my way in life too and funded my lifestyle choices. I didn’t mean it, I just said it in frustration. I don’t want money from my parents, I wouldn’t accept it if they offered, but I feel a bit hurt that again my sister is getting money from them for no real reason whereas their generosity wasn’t even offered to me.

AIBU to feel a bit pissed off? Has anyone else been in a similar position and found ways to deal with it?

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ssd · 29/11/2018 23:35

so your mum was the eldest sister who felt unfairly treated, and she is spoiling her eldest daughter, in case she feels unfairly treated??

your mum has problems and unfortunately you are the one suffering because of them

and your sister isnt the person you think she is, or want her to be

and facing up to that lot takes years and years

Unicornandbows · 29/11/2018 23:36

Your mum is savage. I don't think I would be able to keep a relationship with any of them

Babyblade · 30/11/2018 08:40

I think your DF sounds honest albeit naive - at least he has listened to you properly and hasn't dismissed your issues as an over-reaction or jealousy.

In your position, I think his acknowledgement would mean a lot and be my starting point for the healing process and a new way forward.

Next step is probably speaking to your sister face-to-face. Her reaction in turn will set the tone of your future relationship - good luck Flowers

NoFucksImAQueen · 30/11/2018 08:56

I'm really sorry queen, I know how hard it is when you open up issues with your parents. my mum had her own set off issues and when confronted eithet got angry or cried. I tried to so many times to work through it and she kept saying you need to forgive and forget but she never apologised so basically she meant you need to stop bringing it up and get over it. I felt bereaved almost because the person I thought she was was gone.
we are ok but not but it took a long time and I don't fully trust her. her behaviour had changed though, I couldn't have had a relationship with her if It hadn't

QueenofmyPrinces · 30/11/2018 09:11

Well I’m feeling a bit more positive this morning for some reason. My dad phoned me this morning to see how I was and that was nice. He said he’s tried to speak to my mom rationally about it but she had still seemed annoyed so hadn’t really wanted to listen to what he had to say.

He asked me if I anted him to stop giving my sister the money and I said no. I may feel a bit jealous because who wouldn’t love £200 a month just given to them, but I don’t begrudge it my sister as her having it doesn’t take anything away from me. It’s up to them how they spend their money and there’s no real reason why parents should stop giving it to her if that’s what they want to do.

I text my sister earlier and we are meeting up tonight to chat about things.

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senua · 30/11/2018 09:22

It seems to me that your DDad might be an ally but he is weak/lazy. For years he has gone along with what your DMum wanted, for the sake of a quiet life (even when he was no longer married to her, for goodness sake!) I don't know how much of an ally he will be; does he say the right things to your face but then changes his mind as soon as someone else works on him?
Your DMum has got all sorts of problems but is not ready to acknowledge them. I'd leave her to stew and think on.
Your DSis is the make-or-break. She is the only one who can say to your DMum "this isn't fair". She is the only one who can say "I'll only accept support if you do similar (not the same, you're different people!) for my sis". She is the one who can change your DMum's attitudes and actions.
But, whatever you do, your main concern must be DH and the DC. Put them first, because they put you first.

senua · 30/11/2018 09:29

Oh, X-post. Maybe I underestimated your DDad.
Chin up.Smile

Silkie2 · 30/11/2018 10:12

OMG - DM abandoned her two babies for 8 months . That is crazy imv.
Poor women. No wonder her behaviour is a bit warped. That suggests serious mental health problem.
Why don't you ask DF a bit about this episode to get a fuller picture - not to blame DM but to understand it. Also I wonder how DMs childhood was, could there be more than just favouritism colouring it.
If you understand her background you might find you have sympathy for her instead of anger. Which would be a happier place for you OP imv.

QueenofmyPrinces · 30/11/2018 10:28

My mom has always been quite open about her PND and the fact she walked out on us. She didn’t first mention it until my sister was pregnant with her first because she said she was scared that my sister would get PND too. She always said that she had struggled anyway after my sister’s birth and because I was an accident and came along so quickly it meant she had a newborn and a 13 month old with no suppoet from her own parents and she hadn’t been able to cope. Ironically when she left it was her sister (the apparent favoured one) who stepped in and took on mine and my sister’s care whilst our dad went out to work. I doubt that has helped her sibling relationship either as she probably feels indebted to the sister she had always resented. The whole thing is messed up on many levels.

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Silkie2 · 30/11/2018 10:37

Maybe she is giving your sis the support she didn't get as a new parent. Lots of emotions entangled in the above scenario.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 30/11/2018 11:10

I wonder if the accident of you happening plays on your mother deep down. She abandoned you both but she may feel if you hadn't happened your sister would not have lost her mother for that time, so she over compensates. Maybe the fact you have gotten on and done well is a kick in the teeth to her too.

There are probably too many intricacies to figure out and I doubt your mother even wants to work that out.

I'm glad your father called you. I think you said the right thing regarding the money, because it isn't about the money is it really. It's about the disparity in how you are left.

epicclusterfuck · 30/11/2018 11:32

I think this may be key

She said that her parents always favoured her younger sister and that financially they gave her whatever she asked for. It’s ironic really

I think she is compensating for this by favouring your elder sister instead of you, the younger sister. She probably has not even been consciously aware of this but it is a pattern hence being so defensive on it being pointed out. She has done what her own mother did and that is probably going to be very difficult for her to admit!

FilthyforFirth · 30/11/2018 11:41

Glad your dad called, he seems the more 'reasonable' of the two. Though I'm not sure I would ever get over my father charging me petrol money to get to a hospital appointment.

Hopefully this means you have forced him to examine his own behaviour, and he will be a bit better going forward.

Sadly I think your mum is a lost cause. I would limit contact with her for the time being.

I really hope things go well with your sister. I'm not sure how she will play it really. It cant have escaped her attention the massive disparity in how you've been treated, so will be interesting to see if she publically acknowledges this or gets very defensive.

Please remember you are not responsible for her life choices and she shouldnt make you feel guilty that you have worked harder than her. She needs to hear it is time to grow up and be independent, though I worry she will only accept that message from your mum

Tinkobell · 30/11/2018 11:46

Sadly so very true that often the 'skeletons' of one persons upbringing moves to the fixed behaviours of the next generation OP. It's not an excuse but it does part explain.

QueenofmyPrinces · 30/11/2018 11:59

Sadly so very true that often the 'skeletons' of one persons upbringing moves to the fixed behaviours of the next generation OP. It's not an excuse but it does part explain.

If anything, I’m feeling sympathy for her now as opposed to anger. I can’t imagine what she’s been living with and dealing with since she herself grew up in a dysfunctional family. Like you said, it goes to show that problems that aren’t dealt with usually raise their ugly heads again....

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Mix56 · 30/11/2018 12:21

Queen, you are dealing with this so well, stoic & levelled.
I think it's a good idea to see Sis soon, (so you go to her...again ?) as just letting it stew undiscussed is not going to let you clear your mind.
Just keep in mind while she has always felt you were successful, & jealous of your success hard work you have been desperate to be loved !
I would suggest, that the total income she has is probably equivalent to yours, however you & DH go to work for it, she is given it on a silver platter. Give her concrete examples of the inequality, (hospital lift, child minding, driving lessons, boiler etc. not the money)
In her shoes how would she feel over X years, she has been consistently & deliberately treated as you have ?

Why now ? because the deliberate lying & deceit have come to light, & not only is she favoured, but everyone has lied & hidden, therefore they KNOW FULL WELL, that it is unfair.

Where do you plan to go from here ? well it will depend on how SIS behaves, she will probably offer fake gestures of appeasement, "OK, I'll give you half, OK I'll not take the £200", & You're jealous because you are stuck with small DC & can't spoil yourself, she is single, & needs adult company, will never meet a new man if she can't go out...
Concrete ideas are needed , she should spend the £200 on more driving lessons, (what does she think she will do when she no longer has her parents?) she should attempt to become financially independent, what happens when DC leave home. (EXP will stop payments !, Benefits will stop.)
I think as your father has offered to stop paying, you should say YES, put it in a pot for N uni if necessary. All she is doing with it, is pissing it up in bars, mini breaks, new clothes, its not a necessity.
Your Mother is another whole story, damaged or dysfuntional, whatever.
She favours her Golden Child, Withdraw, don't rush to help her... She should reap what she has sown.

Mix56 · 30/11/2018 12:25

sewn !

Mix56 · 30/11/2018 12:26

sown .... can't think !

Mix56 · 30/11/2018 12:28

Actually, your sister knows she can bleed her parents for as much & as long as needed. then they will die & she can live off the inheritance.
So that's all good then isn't it ?

QueenofmyPrinces · 30/11/2018 12:58

Your Mother is another whole story, damaged or dysfuntional, whatever.
She favours her Golden Child, Withdraw, don't rush to help her... She should reap what she has sown.

Is this the answer though?

She’s definitely had her faults as a parent but is anyone a perfect one? Do I think what she has done was intentionally to hurt me? Not really. Do I think that in her mind she genuinely l thought she was doing the best thing for my sister? Most likely.

If all of this is down to her own awful childhood abd PND then what good does it to blame her and hate her or withdraw from her? She’s still my mom afterall.

The only way forward I think is to get her to face her past and deal with it and show her that I understand. All she’s probably wanted since a child is acceptance (probably like me) so surely to write her off as a lost cause is just going to make things worse and ruin her self esteem/self worth even more?

I know she’s not ready to accept her part in this yet or acknowledge that the way she treated my sister and me was unfair but I imagine she’s too scared to admit it because then it means she going to face up to her own skeletons.

It’s a real mess but I’m finding it very hard to see how having nothing to do with her is the best thing to do. I want us as a family to work this out and work together to untangle the whole mess.

I know my mom isn’t ready to do this yet though so I guess I will just have to hope that one day she will be ready to face her demons and we can find a way forwards.

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Mix56 · 30/11/2018 13:11

Withdraw, is not going No contact. I don't suggest "writing her off"
I agree that facing her demons would be perfect, but at the moment she is being aggressively defensive & maintains the dynamic by saying she will pay for uni for Nieces, & not yours
You say it wasn't deliberate, but it simply is favouritism, & the hiding shows they knew it.
Just carrying on as before means she will brush it under the carpet.
By withdrawal, I mean taking a step back & see if she makes any mea culpa approaches

senua · 30/11/2018 13:17

By withdrawal, I mean taking a step back & see if she makes any mea culpa approaches
Absolutely. Stop being the coper / rescuer. Let someone else put a bit of effort in for a change.

Nothing is going to change if you keep excusing the situation. Why would they change? They aren't going to rock the boat because they like things fine the way they are.

QueenofmyPrinces · 30/11/2018 13:19

Withdraw, is not going No contact. I don't suggest "writing her off"

Sorry Mix, I probably wasn’t clear, I didn’t meant it to look like I was singling you out or saying you specifically had said those things, I meant it as a general response to posts over the last 10 pages or so where various posters have said I should withdraw or walk away - or words to that affect.

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Treesthemovie · 30/11/2018 13:35

It looks like you’re now focusing a lot on how your mum feels/has felt, and possibly your dad and sister as well. What about how their treatment has made you feel, and how it will affect your children in the future when they notice the difference in how they are treated by their grandparents compared with their cousins.
Their behaviour might have made you feel that you need to work for their acceptance but as you say, it’s more about their beliefs and past than about you as a person. They are more likely to make excuses for themselves and continue doing what they’ve always done than wake up to their mistakes.

Mix56 · 30/11/2018 13:36

Queen, I completely understand, my mother never recognized my 2nd rate treatment.
I ,personally, backed off, how many times can you be hurt without deciding it is not worth it.
You don't need the angst, you can see it clearly for what it is, you are ranting to your DH...it is invading your home.

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