Gotten?

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I see this a lot on here but never hear it spoken....is this a new word or a regional thing?

Nothing is wrong with them but the pedants on here don’t like them!

How sad and ridiculous to see so many ignorant statements here.

"..the language is ENGLISH". What we (English) might term 'English' comprises words from all over the world - Norse words, Indian, Latin, Welsh, Scottish, French - and many more.

"I dislike 'gotten' and would never use it" OK. Whatever. No need to judge those who do use it.

'there not their' - obviously depends on context. The individual words both belong in the English language, as do your and you're.

Can we not celebrate the richness of our language and embrace the different regional variations, which are NOT WRONG, just perhaps not in common usage.

Yes, examining boards and examiners accept "gotten" and other American usages. What's important is that the examinee is coherent and uses Americanisms throughout.

Well it's hardly surprising, is it, since the language is ENGLISH.

Yes, but there are different varieties of English. And as English is primarily a descriptive rather than a prescriptive language, people in England (or anywhere else, for that matter) don't have the final say about acceptable usage.

oh ffs - BookMe it is NOT an Americanism!

"Fall" for autumn is another so called Americanism that is actually an older British form that went across the Atlantic in colonial times but that fell out of use in Britain.

I'm well aware of its origins (MAs in linguistics can be quite useful for that sort of thing) I was simply answering the question from a pp about whether British examining boards accept Americanisms (which "gotten" is, today, in 2018, defined as, a perfectly correct American usage with its origins, as eleventy billion pps have said, in the English taken over the pond by the first settlers) No need to "ffs" me. Save it for the ignorant little Englanders who always pop up on this kind of thread.

It's from the same group of irregular verbs as wake/woke/woken, break/broke/broken, speak/spoke/spoken.

It's a very yank affectation but it's correct.

It used to make me wince but now none of them do except 'like' - nails on a blackboard that is.

"a yank affection" Wow. How rude. No, it's not.

@BookMeOnTheSudExpress is there an official list of what is classed as an Americanism? It's widely used in Scotland, so is it a scottishism?

Lots of discussion on the thread that it fell out of use widely in England and returns here through American culture. Lots of American culture is seen as cool so these expressions are adopted.

Not quite as irritating as 'can I get?' Instead of 'May I have' which at best is quite rude.

It classed as archaic in some places in the UK, often by people that don't acknowledge that it has always been used in some areas of the UK.

I have often been told on here that it is an Americanism. Its fucking not. I have been saying it for over 40 years.

I use gotten. My Grandmother did (born 1911), in Liverpool, her Parents were a mix of Lancashire and Irish.

Maggie Smith and Judi Dench have always used it, which is good enough for me.

I dispair in people who don't understand that language is fluid. We have many words at our disposal and it's upto the individual to decide what they use.

Are you German? Then why do you have a Christmas Tree? Because you've chosen to, because it isn't traditional to the UK.

Not quite as irritating as 'can I get?' Instead of 'May I have' which at best is quite rude.

Perfectly normal in Ireland, where it's not rude in the slightest.

I don't like "gotten". I don't use it.

I'm Irish and I use it. I don't know why folk think it's American.

It sounds terrible IMO. It doesn't matter if it's old English, "new" English, American, Scottish, Irish or whatever else you all come up with to justify that dreadful word. So there.

This thread appears on here with regularity.

Pretty much all English-speaking countries, except England, use the word 'gotten'.

Sorry, but it's not going anywhere.

It's a very yank affectation but it's correct.

How can it be a 'yank affectation' and 'correct'?

Americans took it with them. From England.

There are lots of lists of Americanisms- in terms of specific lexical items. Sidewalk, faucet etc.
As pps have said, the Bill Bryson book is a useful starting point to avoid making yourself look silly by complaining about language which is both older, and arguably more "correct", than many of the constructions in your own MN posts.

Yank?
It's a proper word I cba to wiki it. Do it yourselves to quit the arguing.

I’m a bit of a language/grammar pedant but this doesn’t bother me at all. Surely it’s just the same as the forms of forget?

I forget
I forgot
I have forgotten

I have forgot just sounds wrong, so how come people don’t like ‘I have gotten’?

Good post @wing

Gotten is perfectly grammatical, so why on earth would it be penalised?