Gotten?

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I see this a lot on here but never hear it spoken....is this a new word or a regional thing?

Scottish and use gotten. May have died a death in England but always used in Scotland.

I am super awesome . I'm not really, I just like to say the words.
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Surely it is the root of the word forgotten?
Another Scot has has used it and heard it all my life.

I’ve always used gotten, but then I am very out of date!!!

@Flashingbeacon is out with not 2 words? Or a hyphen maybe?

Apparently us Scots and Irish don't speak English according to some Mumsnetters. It's interesting that we tend to use original ' English ' words that the English think are Americanisms But language evolves and we shouldn't get hung up about it.

Used in Northern Ireland.

I'm American and "gotten" is normal usage here. To my ear, "I had already got the apples" sounds cut off and incorrect--like "I had sang the song." I would say "I had already gotten the apples."

But it's one of those old usages we never dropped here, while in (parts of) the UK you did.

I love stuff like this.

Verbs have 3 forms: Infinitive, Past Simple, and Past Participle.

For regular verbs (ones that take -ed) the Past Simple and Past Participle are the same e.g.

Play > Played > Played

I play football. (Present Simple tense)
I played football yesterday. (Past Simple tense)
I have played football for years. (Present Perfect tense)

All regular verbs behave like this.

However Irregular verbs behave differently e.g.

See > Saw > Seen

I see the table is clean.
I saw the table was clean.
I have seen that the table is clean.

The verb Get is traditionally

Get > Got > Got

However equally valid in America and some other places is

Get > Got > Gotten

So the verb Get has two valid Past Participles.

I get dressed.
I got dressed.
I have gotten dressed.
OR
I have got dressed.

Both are perfectly legitimate.

Gotten is the past participle of get. So it’s: get (present), got (past) and gotten (past participle). Absolutely normal and correct.

@5cats fine by me I'd rather speak Scots anyway

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Exactly Zoni - saying 'hasn't the baby gotten big' or 'it has gotten late' sound much better to me than got would. It is grammatically correct too for the poster that asked.

Aye naicepineapple Yir right their grin

There not 'their'

I've always used it and I'm from the north east! I think it's fairly common there but maybe I'm imagining it now?

@naicepineapple nope it’s definitely one word.

I've always used it, it's a completely valid word!

Katiepoes
Every time this comes up I am reminded how many English people think their version is definitive and anything they don't see often is 'american' and somehow lesser.

Well it's hardly surprising, is it, since the language is ENGLISH.

I dislike 'gotten' and would never use it.

SilverySurfer what exactly are you saying about the language being ENGLISH? Care to expand on that racism?

I hate hearing "gotten" as in "She should have gotten over it by now" (or even worse "She should of gotten over it by now").

I'm a total grammar pedant though and a lot of things really annoy me :D

I don't read SilverSurfer's comment as racist; it is a fact that English is a language which originated in England. However, we have to accept that languages evolve and a lot of English words are derived from Latin, French, Arabic, Greek, German etc and I'm sure the ancient Greeks are turning in their graves when they hear what we've done to "their" language.

But yes, out of date English, returned to us via the US. Grates on me but I know technically ok.

Who decides on what's 'out of date', though? Would you regard Shakespeare as out of date (and, by implication, to be thrown on the scrapheap and henceforth ignored) or has he left us a rich legacy, which is clearly a product of his time but still of great value and interest today? Many younger (and not so younger) people appear to regard the use of the phrase 'I/you/he/she said' as out of date, because everybody 'knows' that it's 'properly' rendered 'I/you/he/she was like'. In fact, the most modern and 'correct' rendering must be 'she turned around and was like, and then I turned around and was like'.

Ax/ahks instead of ask

Couldn't agree more with you on this, but maybe you and I are just woefully out of date and need to move with the times

Sigh. The word is an english word and grammatically correct. English people are not the bar by which the language is set - whether you like the word or not is irrelevant.

Another Scot here who uses gotten (and can I get, and Santa and outwith). We have the best words

What is wrong with can I get, Santa and outwith?