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... to think that my inlaws are controlling not inclusive of me?

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Amgelima · 18/11/2018 10:35

... I wonder how common my inlaw's behaviour is, and whether I'm being a bit overly sensitive. (My own family lives in another country, I miss them dearly and I only see them once or twice a year, so perhaps that dynamic makes me more sensitive to how DH's family treats me.)

Basically, I come from a very inclusive family where spouses are treated as family members from day one. Once I was married, my parents saw DH and me as a family unit. Sure, sometimes they call just to talk to me or email a question specifically to me, but they would never try to do something that pulled me away from DH.

DH's family, on the other hand, seems to have an emphasis on "the real, original family members". They have a "original family member only" whatsapp group, where they share jokes and pictures that I am not a part of. I wasn't bothered by this at first, but I noticed that when I sent them pictures and videos of DC via another whatsap group at the grandparents' request, I never got any replies. I then learned that they were replying to each other to discuss the pictures via their "original family only" whatsapp group instead of responding to me. The result is that it does nothing to build connections or relationship with me. DH looks at it sometimes but isn't extremely involved as there's usually too much else going on. He shows it to me sometimes if he wants to share a joke they sent or whatever. I asked DH about whether he should just add me to that group and he said that his sister set it up and she is highly controlling and will be upset if he added me to the group. He said just not to make a big deal of it and while I can see that it's a small thing, I think the reason it bothers me is because it's part of their larger mentality. (We also have a whatsapp group with my family and my parents are extremely inclusive with spouses -- my brother and his wife are on it in addition to my husband and myself.)

SIL, who is in her mid 30s, has always had problems with me and MIL often seems intent on making sure SIL feels special and taken care of at family gatherings, but it's usually done in a way that makes me feel controlled or suppressed. If something I do makes SIL feel insecure, MIL will try to control the situation so that SIL can feel more secure. This is my take on the situation, so maybe I'm wrong, but it definitely feels this way. For example, I once brought a homemade cake to my inlaw's house for Christmas. SIL had baked mince pies for Christmas. MIL said we ought to put my cake to the side so that SIL's pies could be eaten. She went on and on about how great SIL's pies were, kept my cake in a cupboard for literally 4-5 days, then offered to serve it as if it were a huge annoyance. I told her not to worry about it at that point but she was like, "Oh no, go ahead and cut your cake and serve it". When I did, she and SIL did not want any, and MIL said, "There, your DH will eat your cake. See? DH go ahead and eat it." It was extremely awkward. Another time, I played Christmas carols on the piano. FIL was really enjoying it, but when SIL got home, she looked incredibly angry and glared at me across the room. A few minutes later, they asked me to stop and said the reason was they were all used to singing Christmas carols without accompaniment. Later I learned that SIL was trying to learn a Christmas song on the piano, and that she had told her family she didn't want the shine to be taken away from her performance of her song, which apparently took place after I left.

Shortly after DH and I got married (several years before our DC came along), SIL asked DH if he would come home to the house where she lived with her parents to catch up with her for a weekend. DH asked me if I was ok with that and I told her it was fine with me. Then, the day before he was supposed to go, he said SIL had sent through a plan for SIL and my DH and their parents to travel to France together to stay in a chalet for the weekend. I told DH that felt different to me -- it wasn't him going to catch up with SIL for the weekend, but was more of them going on a little holiday together last minute without including me, his newly wed spouse. I told him I did feel left out, but as all the plans had already been put into place by SIL, I also didn't want to cause drama. I told him that ultimately since we were married he should tell them that's not good form and that if SIL is going to plan a family holiday I should be offered the chance to go, too. I didn't make a scene, simply told him what I thought of the situation. He decided to go anyway and afterwards when we talked about it more he said he wished I had been more pushy/forceful in explaining how I felt about it (basically putting the onus on me). He has matured since then and has never done anything like that again, thankfully.

Recently, now that SIL has been in a serious relationship, things have gotten a bit better in terms of group dynamics when we visit DH's family. Still, though, SIL tries to have a great deal of control and the end result is that DC and I are often on the outskirts of the action or I feel suppressed and controlled. SIL's partner tried to talk to me during a family outing, simply asking some benign questions about my family, and instead of staying next to her partner and joining in the conversation (as I think would be the normal response), SIL instead marched off to her mum (my MIL) and within a few minutes MIL marched over to where SIL's partner was chatting to me and asked him some questions rudely and loudly. Meanwhile, DH, who SIL had also spoken to, motioned for me to come over to him. MIL and DH were trying to break up the conversation at SIL's request -- although they probably didn't realise how obvious it was to me. DH told me he found these types of family gatherings really stressful and that he couldn't handle the stress. I didn't confront him (as I should have) about the " conversation intervention" because I didn't feel like starting an argument between the two of us while he family were around.

I can see that this probably feels like disorganised stream of consciousness writing. Kudos to anyone who made it this far. I would be grateful for objective feedback. There are many more examples I'm skipping, and I think there is an unhealthy dynamic going on in this family relationship, but I also want to be aware of where I might be overly sensitive about it. I have gotten better over the years about talking to DH about this stuff, and his loyalty has transferred to me over his family much more -- but at the same time, I feel like he is not able to call a spade a spade and be honest about their manipulation and flaws as real problems much of the time. What would you do if these were your inlaws?

OP posts:
SallyWD · 18/11/2018 13:14

Your SIL sounds awful! A spoilt, jealous, petulant child. And why on earth is your MIL constantly trying to placate her? If I behaved like she does towards my own SIL my mum would tell me to grow up! Like the others say, there's not much you can do. Just keep your distance but be as polite and pleasant as possible so they have no ammunition against you.

Serialweightwatcher · 18/11/2018 13:16

Nasty pieces of work - you're best ignoring them if you can ... they obviously are pathetic and you deserve better, so if they can't include you, sod them

CrazyToast · 18/11/2018 13:16

You've tried, it hasn't worked. You can't change them so I would stop bothering. Be polite etc but stop trying to change them. Don't waste more of your time.

See the family interaction like work-- be 'professional' when you have to be 'at work' (ie no choice but to interact with them), and then forget it when you leave.

Noodledoodledoo · 18/11/2018 13:18

Not quite as bad, but have similar. I have disengaged, leave everything up to DH to sort. I push him to make arrangements but nothing ever gets sorted as they are limited to what they are happy to do.

Result they have seen my 2 year old 2 maybe 3 times in their whole life, last time we saw they was last December.

I find it sad as we don't have much family but also get fed up trying so hard to make it work.

Whipsmart · 18/11/2018 13:18

They're all bonkers. Definitely step back from thing like sending them pictures, Your DH needs to be firmly on your side though, why does he let them get away with excluding you?

jamimmi · 18/11/2018 13:19

Had similar issues here was once told I wasn't family so would understand some historical in law fude. LOW CONTACT via DH Dec I the way to go . Everything goes throughout and they only ever ring his phone. They miss out on a lot as I only tell him once about school shows and to invite them. They too have a golden child daughter who they always put 1st. Luckily I get on great with my other SIL my brothers wife so I know it's not me!

Boulty · 18/11/2018 13:20

SIL and MIL are awful - disengage with them as others have said.

Don't send pics via the other WhatsApp group - leave to husband if he can be bothered.
Don't let them get to you - they have a problem not you. Engage with children and H and ignore their pathetic attempts to sideline you.
Have a clear conversation at home about how they have treated you to husband and tell him not acceptable anymore - he needs to grow a backbone and stick up for you.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 18/11/2018 13:24

Nice to see a unanimous "YANBU" thread in here! I agree, YANBU. They sound dreadful - mostly in small petty ways but they build up to a big problem.
I also agree that the only thing you can do is take several steps back and stop expecting anything different from them - you won't get it.
I'm sad for you that your H's family are not as lovely and welcoming as yours would be, but you've got what you're got and now you have to make the "best" of it, which is to leave them all to it and look after yourself and your DC.

By the sound of it, when your SIL has children of her own, yours will become second class very quickly too, so I'd save them that pain by keeping contact to the minimum acceptable now. And yes, stop messaging them with info and pics - leave that to your H.

Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe · 18/11/2018 13:26

I had my sister in law message me the other day to say it was her mums birthday this weekend and would I please remind my husband about it...thats not what she was really saying though..what she was really saying was yeah we treat you like crap but he won't bother so will you buy her a decent present and send it from him...I said thank you for contacting me I will tell him...He still either forgot or most likely choose not to remember and I still did nothing...this all leads back to their treatment of me and my deciding to disengage with them..See they loose far more than they gain by being awkward and nasty yet they still have to try to grovel to me to get things done...its just not happening.I dont care she didnt get anything its not my mother! I married him not them and if they act like idiots they get treated like idiots.Mind you I had to giggle it was the first please I had ever had from a member of their family!!!!!!They reap what they sow..Give respect get respect in my book they chose to do the latter..Sad really but it is what it is and I wasnt putting up with their ways...Go on OP disengage.

tessieandoz · 18/11/2018 13:29

TheBlueDot Sun 18-Nov-18 11:17:54
THIS IS A GREAT IDEA from BlueDot
" Also your DH is very passive here - he could include you in a family group. I’d recommend he set up an new family group (including all spouse) and keep that as his main way of communicating with the family. If MIL or SIL suggest a plan on their separate group, he can respond on the wider WhatsApp group to ensure you and the other in-law are included. "

WitchyMcWitchface · 18/11/2018 13:38

Put the time you would normally spend at ILs on building nice family friendships amongst friends with DCs. Much better in the king run.

SandAndSea · 18/11/2018 13:43

YANBU.
I agree with PPs. Take a gentle step away from them. Leave it to your DH to send the photos etc.
I would add though that it sounds to me like your DH is doing that thing where it's easier to disappoint you than them. Sometimes it pays long-term to put your foot down.

SandAndSea · 18/11/2018 13:45

Good advice from @TheBlueDot.

Aeroflotgirl · 18/11/2018 13:50

Spot on Sallycinammon, time to treat them how they treat you. Disengage and go nc with them.

cleanasawhistle · 18/11/2018 13:59

I had a similar experience with my husbands family.....except BIL new partner was welcomed into their clique.

I thought things would change when we had children but they were not interested in our kids either.....I left my MIL house one day and told DH that me and the kids would never go back or socialise ,no contact.If I bumped into them I was polite and civil.

When my husbands brother got married they had every child from both sides of the family involved and all taken to the wedding in a limo.....except ours. We only found out about the wedding when we recieved an invite.....thank god we didnt attend to see our kids snubbed like that.

OP you dont have to be involved just because you married your OH,if you are not good enough for them ,they are not good enough for you. Thay have pushed you away so go and let them get on with it.

woollyheart · 18/11/2018 14:03

@SandAndSea - useful insight! It does sound like it is easier for him to disappoint you than them.

While it is good for your husband that you have manners and are easier to live with, in the long run, it would be better if they accepted that they cannot cross boundaries with you both as a couple & as part of the family in your own right.

Amgelima · 19/11/2018 10:24

Thanks for the really thoughtful insights from all of you. I have read all of the replies and really found this helpful. Re the points about SIL being the "Golden Child" -- I do think that's true. SIL seems to hold sway over my DH and over MIL in ways that are difficult to describe. It's as though they are afraid of upsetting her. I have tried to ask my husband about it before and pointed it out to him - he has agreed that it's true but hasn't explained it any further. I actually think my pointing it out to DH was the first time he really thought about it. He's been conditioned to just go with the flow of what his mum and sister want and not rock the boat when he is around them. I have always gotten the sense that he is insecure around them and trying to keep them happy, afraid of upsetting them. Interestingly, he left home for uni when he was 18 years old, whereas SIL is only in the process of leaving and is in her mid 30s.

I have read about the Golden Child dynamic in the context of a family where there is a narcissist (or several) and I've thought about whether MIL might be a narcissist (and perhaps SIL too). She and SIL both have a lot of control over each other and say they are best friends. SIL does have to "be the best" or "get the most attention" in a family context as far as I can see. She loves to get praise and attention. A few years ago, SIL invited DH and me to enter a half-marathon with her. I thought it might be a good opportunity to build a connection with SIL and started to run next to her as the race started, but DH jogged up to me and said I should probably let her do her own thing, so I did and left her alone. I ended up coming in about 10 minutes before she did (I had no idea where she was) and DH told me she was crying about it. She then spent several months trying to convince everyone that I was "competitive" (although it came out that she had watched me in the distance and memorised several of my splits during the race). Afterwards, she kept asking me "So, you're competitive, aren't you?" When DH asked her if she wanted to enter another race with us, she said, "I won't compete!", trying to insinuate that I was going to "compete". For me, these types of things do tend to match up to the narcissist's "must be the best at all times" attitude. SIL does show empathy sometimes, but it tends to be when it makes her look good, or as part of an exchange (e.g., if she can crash at our house at a time that works for her, then she'll do us a favour of some kind like watch our 1 year old for 30 mintues or drive our 3 year old to nursery all of that is nice and I don't actually feel like I'm entitled for them to help at all it's just that she tends to do it as part of an exchange and tries to play it up like "look what I'm offering to do for you, but in order to do it I'll need to stay over at your house, ok?") I can't say that MIL is devoid of empathy -- she has done kind things before and gone out of her way to help many times times, bringing meals over to our house, offering to babysit every few weeks or so (she lives a few hours away and still makes an effort to come over). She clearly loves her DGC .... although perhaps that attention and love will shift to SIL's children in the future if SIL has children, as some of you have pointed out. I am prepared for that but I think my kids would be sad and my husband would definitely notice it too, and that would break my heart.

All of you who pointed out that I am probably the easier person to upset are most likely correct. I can see that. I have been told by a friend that I need to learn to "be the bigger b*tch" in this situation. In other words, to become the more difficult person to upset. I am not convinced that's the best way to go about it. Just being the more difficult person to upset would feel like a fake act that would take lots of my energy, for one thing, and for another it would not address the underlying problem, which is (as you have pointed out) that DH needs to be able to stand up to his mum and sister. (For the record, I am never aware of FIL having done anything to try to cause division or weirdness.) I think that DH has over time been able to stand up to them more over time, but he still has a guilt-based pressure to be loyal to them and a fear of letting them down. Sometimes he says he is fed up with it -- once he didn't want any of his family to attend one of the children's birthdays. It wouldn't have bothered me if they had come in that instance, but he said he didn't want to deal with any of their pressures and wanted it to just be our family unit plus friends. I saw that as a healthy sign.

Many of you said that I need to disengage and that I'm giving all of this too much time and attention. I would agree with that, and I've done better about that in the past. Regarding the whatsapp group, I will just let it go. I already generally leave their birthday/Christmas stuff to DH although he does ask for my help at times. Recently SIL and MIL came over to visit us a number of times in short succession, and that among other things reactivated some of my old feelings. SIL and her DP are going to move to a house near where my family already lives, which is also a bit triggering because I'm starting to think about things she might do to try to cross boundaries and the extra stresses that might create.

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howabout · 19/11/2018 10:33

You could see SIL moving near your family as a positive. eg Now rather than making any effort with her, as and when it suits, you can just pop in on her on the way past to visit your family, and never have to have specific visits to hers.

Short and sweet superficial contact tends to cause much less angst and if regular enough can give the impression of making far more effort than you actually are.

woollyheart · 19/11/2018 11:01

You are starting to understand them a little more, and that is always helpful in reacting to events because they don't take you by surprise.

I think you are perfectly right not to try to become a 'difficult' person. Your DH appreciates that you are more well balanced and confident.

It sounds as if he is supporting you and is proud of you - he is encouraging you to do well by your own standards. And trying to avoid you getting enmeshed in a habit of pretending to do badly just to keep the peace.

IHopeThisIsAGoodIdea · 19/11/2018 12:06

Your SIL is definitely jealous of you whether that is because of your simple existence as her brother's wife or because you're younger? slimmer? more attractive? Or have other attributes she lacks, she is clearly jealous of you.

I agree with others that you need to disengage, don't bother sending them pics or videos, they can get them from your husband. I wouldn't bother going to family events either since they sound like a chore.

Aeroflotgirl · 19/11/2018 12:53

OP they do sound toxic, I think for your own well being I would have as little to do with them as possible, even if they are moving near. You have tried and they have treated you so badly. It does sound as though SIL is jealous of you, that is not your problem. I think you do need to be strong and assertive and not a doormat to them. Show them that you will not tolerate their behaviour, and disengage from them.

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