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... to think that my inlaws are controlling not inclusive of me?

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Amgelima · 18/11/2018 10:35

... I wonder how common my inlaw's behaviour is, and whether I'm being a bit overly sensitive. (My own family lives in another country, I miss them dearly and I only see them once or twice a year, so perhaps that dynamic makes me more sensitive to how DH's family treats me.)

Basically, I come from a very inclusive family where spouses are treated as family members from day one. Once I was married, my parents saw DH and me as a family unit. Sure, sometimes they call just to talk to me or email a question specifically to me, but they would never try to do something that pulled me away from DH.

DH's family, on the other hand, seems to have an emphasis on "the real, original family members". They have a "original family member only" whatsapp group, where they share jokes and pictures that I am not a part of. I wasn't bothered by this at first, but I noticed that when I sent them pictures and videos of DC via another whatsap group at the grandparents' request, I never got any replies. I then learned that they were replying to each other to discuss the pictures via their "original family only" whatsapp group instead of responding to me. The result is that it does nothing to build connections or relationship with me. DH looks at it sometimes but isn't extremely involved as there's usually too much else going on. He shows it to me sometimes if he wants to share a joke they sent or whatever. I asked DH about whether he should just add me to that group and he said that his sister set it up and she is highly controlling and will be upset if he added me to the group. He said just not to make a big deal of it and while I can see that it's a small thing, I think the reason it bothers me is because it's part of their larger mentality. (We also have a whatsapp group with my family and my parents are extremely inclusive with spouses -- my brother and his wife are on it in addition to my husband and myself.)

SIL, who is in her mid 30s, has always had problems with me and MIL often seems intent on making sure SIL feels special and taken care of at family gatherings, but it's usually done in a way that makes me feel controlled or suppressed. If something I do makes SIL feel insecure, MIL will try to control the situation so that SIL can feel more secure. This is my take on the situation, so maybe I'm wrong, but it definitely feels this way. For example, I once brought a homemade cake to my inlaw's house for Christmas. SIL had baked mince pies for Christmas. MIL said we ought to put my cake to the side so that SIL's pies could be eaten. She went on and on about how great SIL's pies were, kept my cake in a cupboard for literally 4-5 days, then offered to serve it as if it were a huge annoyance. I told her not to worry about it at that point but she was like, "Oh no, go ahead and cut your cake and serve it". When I did, she and SIL did not want any, and MIL said, "There, your DH will eat your cake. See? DH go ahead and eat it." It was extremely awkward. Another time, I played Christmas carols on the piano. FIL was really enjoying it, but when SIL got home, she looked incredibly angry and glared at me across the room. A few minutes later, they asked me to stop and said the reason was they were all used to singing Christmas carols without accompaniment. Later I learned that SIL was trying to learn a Christmas song on the piano, and that she had told her family she didn't want the shine to be taken away from her performance of her song, which apparently took place after I left.

Shortly after DH and I got married (several years before our DC came along), SIL asked DH if he would come home to the house where she lived with her parents to catch up with her for a weekend. DH asked me if I was ok with that and I told her it was fine with me. Then, the day before he was supposed to go, he said SIL had sent through a plan for SIL and my DH and their parents to travel to France together to stay in a chalet for the weekend. I told DH that felt different to me -- it wasn't him going to catch up with SIL for the weekend, but was more of them going on a little holiday together last minute without including me, his newly wed spouse. I told him I did feel left out, but as all the plans had already been put into place by SIL, I also didn't want to cause drama. I told him that ultimately since we were married he should tell them that's not good form and that if SIL is going to plan a family holiday I should be offered the chance to go, too. I didn't make a scene, simply told him what I thought of the situation. He decided to go anyway and afterwards when we talked about it more he said he wished I had been more pushy/forceful in explaining how I felt about it (basically putting the onus on me). He has matured since then and has never done anything like that again, thankfully.

Recently, now that SIL has been in a serious relationship, things have gotten a bit better in terms of group dynamics when we visit DH's family. Still, though, SIL tries to have a great deal of control and the end result is that DC and I are often on the outskirts of the action or I feel suppressed and controlled. SIL's partner tried to talk to me during a family outing, simply asking some benign questions about my family, and instead of staying next to her partner and joining in the conversation (as I think would be the normal response), SIL instead marched off to her mum (my MIL) and within a few minutes MIL marched over to where SIL's partner was chatting to me and asked him some questions rudely and loudly. Meanwhile, DH, who SIL had also spoken to, motioned for me to come over to him. MIL and DH were trying to break up the conversation at SIL's request -- although they probably didn't realise how obvious it was to me. DH told me he found these types of family gatherings really stressful and that he couldn't handle the stress. I didn't confront him (as I should have) about the " conversation intervention" because I didn't feel like starting an argument between the two of us while he family were around.

I can see that this probably feels like disorganised stream of consciousness writing. Kudos to anyone who made it this far. I would be grateful for objective feedback. There are many more examples I'm skipping, and I think there is an unhealthy dynamic going on in this family relationship, but I also want to be aware of where I might be overly sensitive about it. I have gotten better over the years about talking to DH about this stuff, and his loyalty has transferred to me over his family much more -- but at the same time, I feel like he is not able to call a spade a spade and be honest about their manipulation and flaws as real problems much of the time. What would you do if these were your inlaws?

OP posts:
nomoremrsniceguy · 18/11/2018 12:06

You sound as though you've done a lot of soul searching on this issue over the years. Don't doubt yourself- your instincts are sound. It's unfortunate but you need to protect yourself and your children from these people.

cadburysflake · 18/11/2018 12:06

I've got a terrible relationship with my in laws too, the things you mention do ring a bell. The sil's behaviour is as someone else pointed out just out of jealousy. My sil was a total bitch to me years ago, she behaved very immature (she was in her early 20s when we got together) she'd say stupid things like I was only with her brother for his money (I earned more) that I drank too much (I had 1 drink on a Saturday night!) I could go on, it was all silly stuff trying to put me down. I just laughed at it though as I saw straight through it.

My in laws would also do the replying to my messages in separate chats to my husband and ignore me, like if I said that it was inconvenient to see them they'd message my husband and paste my message into their chat as though I don't talk to him and had told them secretly not to come over!! When my husband pointed out that he was sat with me and can see what I've messaged they weren't happy. I'd send pictures and would also get no reply. I just stopped. I stopped messaging, stopped the pictures, everything. They then wrote a letter telling me that our children were part of their family (not me though lol) and that I was adversely effecting my children ignoring them. I see them 3 times a year at the most now and my children who are 3 and 1 have no idea who they are. All their own doing.

I understand you are in a difficult position being isolated from your family, but I think if I was you I'd just keep contact with them to a minimum, they sound like a nasty bunch. Leave them to it with their original family members, you won't be missing out. Focus on forming some new friendships or spend more time with existing friends, you don't need these lot they are clearly making you unhappy.

OhDearGodLookAtThisMess · 18/11/2018 12:22

Agree with the others that you need to disengage. That will be more annoying to your bitch of a sil than anything you could say or do.
The other key thing is for your dh to step up on your behalf. So, for instance, if there is a WhatsApp conversation going on on "their" group, he could always contribute via the one you're on.
Or not. Maybe he could withdraw and disengage too, and if they challenge him on it, he could tell them why.

AnnaMagnani · 18/11/2018 12:23

I had nothing near as like as bad with my ILs but it did come as a shock to MIL that DH and I actually talked to each other too. Also had the 'he has such a responsible job' - no he didn't, 'earns so much' - I earned double, 'you forgot some 2 yr-old's birthday' - WTF, why can't DH remember, she's his niece!

I left DH to do all the organizing, they soon got a shock as he did precisely none.

Sadly for your DH, SIL seems to be the golden child. The sooner you all let the ILs carry on their party round her, the better. She may calm down as she grows up and has her own kids but I'd expect her kids to be much more interesting to ILs than yours. Sorry.

Ceecee18 · 18/11/2018 12:29

It's really mean of them to treat you like this, your SIL for trying to exclude you and your DH and MIL for enabling it.

It definitely sounds like your SIL is jealous of you. Especially the part about her trying to stop you having a conversation with her partner. She sounds very immature and spoilt, used to having the attention on her and her own way.

I would just stop engaging with her, don't give her a reaction and just be civil. It'll probably kill her to not get any attention from you.

Jux · 18/11/2018 12:30

I suppose you could interject some humour into it which might take the edge off for you. Make a list of things she does and mentally tick them off as she does them when you meet up. You could share it with your dh if he'd take it in the right way.

If she does something new then DOUBLE BINGO!! And you can make it a permanent addition to the list ever after.

You can share each 'tick' with each other quietly as you pass each other during the event.

CoolCarrie · 18/11/2018 12:37

Try the bingo Op. I do the mil version of Bingo every time I speak to her and it definitely makes me laugh, I have checklist of remarks, including “how much? “ “ I am sooo tired, and her constant “ god is good”!

trojanpony · 18/11/2018 12:37

Your SIL is jealous.
And while he could be worse your “D” husband is a bit useless/spineless.

I have a relative who is basically the same, she explained my mum wasn’t “real family” despite knowing my mum since she was 17 and for over 40 years
I personally would not be bothering to send nice pictures and videos of the kids to the in-laws anymore.
Let your DH send the videos since he is in the “real” family what’s app group Hmm

TaighNamGastaOrt · 18/11/2018 12:40

Yup. Agree with PP. Disengage totally. Don;t send them whatsapp messages, remove yourself and practice saying 'thats naice' (watch Mrs Browns Boys for full reference!)
Have a similar relationship with my SiL which my inlaws pander to.BiL and SiL don;t like us for secret reasons my MiL 'doesnt know'.
BiL is golden child and SiL is amaaaaazing. All because we had DC when she was desperate for one, then did not christen him (they're churchy-Wee Frees).
They did have DC the golden grandchild who shits rainbows and who inlaws look after a lot despite never looking after ours and we did try hard to meet up/forge a relationship. after much rejection, DH and I both disengaged. civil yet polite.
We stopped trying, stopped caring. Its hard but low contact is the way to go.
Suddenly, we're invited for a lovely pre-christmas family dinner! We're going to be polite but our expectations are: SiL and inlaws will dance attendance on golden grandchild whilst our DC will just get on with being kids.
I will be medicating with wine.

TaighNamGastaOrt · 18/11/2018 12:42

CoolCarrie.......Bingo!!

Knittedfairies · 18/11/2018 12:43

I agree with everyone else that you should just drop the rope; disengage. Leave all his family’s arrangements to him, and stop sending the photographs.

pallasathena · 18/11/2018 12:44

I'd try and find some humour in the situation if I were you! Seriously, they're as mad as a box of frogs!
There's a thread of real mean jealousy towards you from them, which is both ridiculous and incredibly immature.
Sadly, the world is full of stupid people OP. And you can't argue with stupidity because they'll beat you every time through sheer experience.
Best to just laugh!

MsFrosty · 18/11/2018 12:45

I'd disengage. No pictures, messages or cards, let DH do all that. Only attend special occasions. There's no point trying to change them so avoid all situations with them

Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe · 18/11/2018 12:50

OP I am so sorry you are being treated like this...the whole lot of them sound exceptionally rude and unhinged.My husbands family are very rude so I did as others have suggested stepped back.His family = he deals with it.This has resulted in untold missed birthdays,crap presents and very limited contact as before I would have gone out of my way to be the one to keep the bolt in the nick so to speak now I refuse.Its someones birthday on his side he is told once if he forgets or cannot be bothered not my problem and believe me it happens all the time.Disengage from the ..see them on the very odd occassion you feel obliged to otherwise ignore and let him have them.Thing is it truely works...for me I am happier without the stress of them and really its got to the point where it doesnt hurt me anymore ..I just cannot bring myself to care one iota about the bloody lot of them...I look after my small world and leave them to it,Life is better this way and I dont waste a second of my life worrying about them or what they do or think...Give it a try! They arent worth your worry...I am polite when I see them but they know only what my husband tells them,,the really important family things they should be involved in they arent and that I am afraid is their loss! Chin up lovely lady and move on with your life from now do not give them a second thought ,,,,you can do this and be so much happier i promise you.

PrincessJuanita · 18/11/2018 12:53

They sound bonkers, first thought was does SIL have mental health issues and they've all learnt over the years to just be very protective of her?
As the others said though, disengage..... accept that she has a rather odd family and limit the time you spend with them. For the time you do spend with them practise your fake smile/inner eye roll and try to rise above it.
Then come on Mumsnet and have a rant Grin

Aeroflotgirl · 18/11/2018 12:56

Oh my goodness, stuff that for a game of soldiers. No more pictures of your dc to them, if they cannot afford you the courtesy of thanking you and commenting positively on them. I would withdraw any contact to the bare minimum with them, life is too short to spend time with people who don't like or value you. Your SIL sounds like a nasty piece of work, and does sound very jealous of you.

Her behaviour is very divisive within your relationship. Have you sat down and talked to dh about how you feel warts and all. He should really have your back and be supporting of you.

woollyheart · 18/11/2018 12:58

It also sounds like SIL might have mental health issues, and family is trying to protect her.

Your DH should be more supportive. For example, he should remove himself from the WhatsApp group as they are not welcoming his wife into the family.

Aeroflotgirl · 18/11/2018 13:00

In fact, reading it again, I would have total non contact with the lot of them, and let dh deal with them. It sounds like he could benefit from going nc with them too, they sound nasty and toxic. I hope that SIL partner knows exactly what he is getting himself in for.

Aeroflotgirl · 18/11/2018 13:00

I cannot understand, how nasty and rude behaviour is blamed on MH issues Hmm, some people are just not very nice.

woollyheart · 18/11/2018 13:03

It might well be that she is plain nasty.

It was the hint that other family members also appear to be rude just in order to protect her that suggests they may think she is unstable or fragile.

Orlande · 18/11/2018 13:05

If these people can't treat you with respect then I'd stop wasting time and effort on them!

No more photos of the kids, no more baking them cakes or going to their family gatherings to be treated badly.

If they want to see your children they can come to your house and be pleasant to you!

RomanyRoots · 18/11/2018 13:07

I'd not bother sending any photo's first of all, let them swivel.
Just keep away and let dh take the kids. Use the time to do something less boring.
Tell dh to have all the contact and if mil/sil try to organise anything with you, forward it straight to your dh.

Aeroflotgirl · 18/11/2018 13:09

Or they are scared of upsetting the princess woolyheart. She sounds a lot like my half sister, who used to be rude and nasty to me as a child, she was an adult and we share the same dad. Put downs, treating me less favourably than other family members. She later admitted that when I was an adult, that she was jealous of me. I have had no contact with her since I was 21, I am 41 now due to other things. Some people are just toxic, and other family members can be afraid of upsetting the apple cart so to speak.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 18/11/2018 13:12

And if at some point you do ever find yourself in conversation with SIL's b/f again, and you try to lure him into your web of rampant sin by responding to his comments on the weather etc, just say to him "I'm so sorry - I would love to talk about the large numbers of wasps's that seem to be about this year, but SIL doesn't like me speaking to you."

If he has any sense he will clear the fence in his haste to leave.

woollyheart · 18/11/2018 13:13

@Aeroflotgirl

You may well be right.

But wouldn't DH be able to offer some insight into this? Or is his sister perfectly lovely to everyone else?